Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/St. Paul - Our Lady of Vilna School


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   merge to List of schools of the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Chicago.   A rbitrarily 0   ( talk ) 19:33, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

St.Paul-O.L.V school

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Non-notable elementary to middle school. Ol Yeller Talktome 04:11, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
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 * Keep, standard consensus is that all schools are notable. Stifle on Wheels! (talk) 19:47, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment. I've finally found Wikipedia's real April fool joke, but a day too late. I saw through the main page "Wife selling" double bluff pretty quickly, but I can't imagine that Stifle !voting to keep an article about such an unnotable subject can possibly be serious. Phil Bridger (talk) 18:14, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Personally, I think that a merge might be the best outcome, but there is (barely) enough evidence that sources about the school exist that I believe a merge is not the only "legal" (guidelines-compliant) outcome. WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:25, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete That standard consensus, as far as i understand it, applies only to high schools or equivalents. This school appears completely non notable. No useful cited sources, no google news hits, no non-trivial google web hits. DES (talk) 17:54, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
 * These stories probably (barely) meet the actual "standard consensus" (which is described at WP:ORG, and which cares only about the sources, not the age of the students):    Education Week is a national/non-local newspaper.  Additionally, there are some perhaps semi-independent sources available:  e.g., this from the Diocese, which I think would allow a reasonable article to be created.  However, I think that it might be better to merge-and-redirect it to the List of schools of the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Chicago (which can remain a "list" without remaining a name-only list).  WhatamIdoing (talk) 02:04, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I was referring to the comment above that "standard consensus is that all schools are notable." There does seem to be a practical consensus that high-schools (secondary schools) and colleges and universities are pretty much inherently notable, provided that there are sources to verify that they exist. that is not true for primary and "middle" schools, IMO. Those must be justified individually, and it is only the exceptional schools that will pass muster at that level, IMO. DES (talk) 03:31, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Are you aware that every time that so-called "consensus" has been proposed to the community, it's been rejected? You'll find four formal proposals listed at WP:SCHOOLS, plus several discussions in the archives of WP:ORG.

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:01, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


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 * Do these Education Week stories mention the school in any kind of depth? They seem to be generally about school closings. It's also not clear that the Diocese source is referring to the same school. I'd say merge unless these can be established.--Chaser (talk) 03:03, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep - Article is now Start class, Low importance and meets Notability (organizations and companies) as it has been the subject of significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources. --Morenooso (talk) 07:03, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
 * merge with the article for the Archdiocese's schools .There is nothing asserted here that is notable, just them ost routine of routine local coverage. The sort of thing that would make an elementary school notable is academic or athletic awards, or architectural or historic met, or exceptionally dramatic happenings, or  multiple   famous alumni--this has none of them.  DGG ( talk ) 03:18, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Note. Article has been moved (by User:TerriersFan) to St. Paul - Our Lady of Vilna School after nomination. B.Wind (talk) 19:53, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Merge to List of schools of the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Chicago. The sources listed above by User:WhatamIdoing only cover this school as one of a list of archdiocesan schools, so that's how we should cover it. Phil Bridger (talk) 20:12, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Merge/redirect to List of schools of the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Chicago. Historic school that has had a decent amount of press coverage but insufficient good sources to establish notability for an elementary school under present standards. TerriersFan (talk) 02:30, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete There is almost no information notable enough to merge (e.g. "First graders,Second Graders,Third & Fourth Graders learn basic math,Social Studies(Cultural and Historical Studies),art,Science, Language arts,and religious studies" is not encyclopedic information.) The really basic information such as the existence of teh school can be mentioned in List of schools of the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Chicago without a need for merging. JamesBWatson (talk) 10:53, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.