Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/St. Thomas of Villanova Church


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   speedy delete. WP:NOT a bureaucracy yandman  15:38, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

St. Thomas of Villanova Church

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I am bringing this directly to AfD, contrary to my usual practice, not because I have doubts about whether this article should be deleted (it certainly should), but rather to clarify the application of CSD A7 with regard to churches. This article is entirely about the community and has nothing about the building which the group uses as a church. (It should be noted that many languages, for example German, use a different word to refer to the community than the one they use to refer to the building.) I say db-group applies to church congregations.  Blanchardb - Me•MyEars•MyMouth - timed 01:56, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Question: Does anyone know how or whether criterion A7 has normally applied to churches in en-Wiki? Majoreditor (talk) 04:05, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Don't quote me on this, I may be wrong, I would think that db-group would encompass churches because a church is basically just a gathering of people. As to whether a7 has normally applied to churches, I don't know. Oli OR Pyfan! 07:07, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I've seen it applied to churches rather routinely when the article is about the congregation. When the article is about the building, that's another matter entirely. --  Blanchardb - Me•MyEars•MyMouth - timed 19:53, 21 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete The article doesn't appear to meet WP:ORG standards. Pastor Theo (talk) 12:06, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Note to closing admin. If, as expected, this article is closed as delete, I request that the deletion be delayed, since I just started a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Criteria for speedy deletion about situations like this, and took this article as an example of what I am talking about. --  Blanchardb - Me•MyEars•MyMouth - timed 20:47, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I think it would be better to keep a temporary copy in your userspace as an example if and when this article is deleted. We try not to keep stuff like this in the mainspace for very long. Chillum  20:54, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Done here. --  Blanchardb - Me•MyEars•MyMouth - timed 21:02, 21 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Speedy delete I believe that Admin SoWhy was incorrect in declining the CSD A7 as this article is about a group of people that does not make an assertion of significance. Chillum  20:51, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. It fails to meet notability criteria. Majoreditor (talk) 21:50, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Given that it mentions a street location, I think this article really needs to be treated as relating to both the church building itself and its congregation. I don't think an A7 (group) deletion would have been necessarily wrong, but it's certainly not clear cut. Nonetheless, there is no evidence of notability and no coverage in reliable sources, making delete the obvious outcome here. ~ mazca  t 21:55, 21 March 2009 (UTC)


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