Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/St Mary's Church, Navan


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The result was keep. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  16:48, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

St Mary's Church, Navan

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I can't find any sources that would indicate that this building or congregation would be of particular historical interest. The building is included on the Record of Protected Structures for Navan, but so are 192 other buildings/sites, so it's not a particularly exclusive club. There are a lot of old buildings in Ireland; simple age does not necessarily translate to notability.

The citations in the article are mostly side notes or links to photos. The only one that might be considered reasonably reliable would be A History of the Diocese of Meath 1860-1993, although it's by the former Bishop of Meath, so in my opinion it's not a great indicator of notability as that's very local and not fully independent.

In any case, one source is hardly enough to sustain an article. I tried to look for more using permutations of "St Mary's+Navan+Catholic" but mostly found directory entries, which are not indicators of notability. It's admittedly a difficult search, in that there are lots of Catholic churches named St Mary's in Ireland (even in County Meath there are multiple) mucking up the search results. I'm happy to withdraw if people do locate sources, but I couldn't find anything substantial. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 09:31, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 10:33, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ireland-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 10:33, 1 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep. National heritage listed buildings are notable per WP:GEOFEAT. And this is. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:28, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
 * , the Irish National Inventory of Architectural Heritage lists every building in Ireland considered historical, not just national-level ones. Each building or site has a rating; the rating for St. Mary's is regional, not national, so GEOFEAT does not necessarily apply. Even if we accept "regional" as counting as "national", GEOFEAT ends that bullet point with and which verifiable information beyond simple statistics are available are presumed to be notable. Without verifiable information beyond simple statistics, the presumption of notability for the building does not apply. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 19:31, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Not true. The NIAH rates buildings as being of International, National, Regional or Local significance. The first three are effectively listed buildings in a national context. The Regional rating is similar to a Grade II listing in England and Wales, which we would certainly consider to meet GEOFEAT. "Regional" status certainly does not mean it is not a nationally listed building. -- Necrothesp (talk) 19:36, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Architecture-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp (talk) 13:28, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Weak Keep as is a National heritage listed bulilding and has the significant book coverage but more sources would improve it, regards Atlantic306 (talk) 17:37, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, w umbolo   ^^^  10:00, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep per Atlantic306. Spleodrach (talk) 13:14, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep, further sources (as well as an infobox and several photos) have been added, meets WP:NBUILD. Sam Sailor 11:52, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment: If kept, article should be moved to  per WP:CHURCH. Sam Sailor 11:54, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
 * This was never discussed and is never used in articles in Commonwealth or Irish English (except Canada). So no, it should remain where it is. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:42, 16 October 2018 (UTC)


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