Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/St Thomas' Episcopal Church, (Menasha, Wisconsin)


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The result was no consensus. Randykitty (talk) 13:21, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

St Thomas' Episcopal Church, (Menasha, Wisconsin)

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Only two sources cited are published by non-independent sources. I couldn't find any legitimate sources establishing notability. Although the building is old, parish churches are not notable just because they exist.  Willsome 4 29  (say hey or see my edits!) 00:02, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
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 * Delete not every congregation whose members published a history of that congregation is notable.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:17, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per above. Not enough notability yet. Orientls (talk) 05:36, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep This is a Harry Weese building. to reconsider E.M.Gregory (talk) 15:06, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I took a look at architectural notability standards and I’m struggling to see where this page fits in. Of the two sources added about the architecture of the church, one I could not access and the other devoted about a sentence and a half to the topic - in no way WP:SIGCOV. I don’t see how the church should have a page merely because it is a top work of a notable architect.  Willsome 4 29  (say hey or see my edits!) 21:21, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
 * In practice, businesses, libraries, churches and other institutions that might not be independently notable usually do become notable when they hire a notable architect to build their building because the coverage of the design is sufficient to pass WP:GNG. c.f. Converse Memorial Library, Holy Trinity Episcopal Church (Greensboro, North Carolina), First Church of Christ, Scientist (New York, New York) and many similar.E.M.Gregory (talk) 14:45, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Sources do exist. For example, "Opposing Mies: The Triangular Constructs of Harry Weese" by Lea Ray, a Chapter in Chicago Architecture: Histories, Revisions, Alternatives(University of Chicago Press, 2005.) has material on this dramatic church steeple, but I cannot access it. There are entire books about Weese's life and work; acessing them might require someone to walk into an actual library.  However, Deletion is not cleanup.  We can keep an article on an important building by a major architect and be confident that the sourcing exists.E.M.Gregory (talk) 23:25, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Architecture-related deletion discussions. E.M.Gregory (talk) 15:11, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep as an historic building by a notable architect, as above there should be reliable sources book coverage and is it on the NRHB ? Atlantic306 (talk) 14:50, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep per E.M.Gregory. RebeccaGreen (talk) 02:11, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Randykitty (talk) 15:43, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep: This is a notable historical church. It therefore should be kept on Wikipedia. Carajou (talk) 03:24, 12 December 2018 (UTC)


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