Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/StaJe (artist)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 14:30, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

StaJe (artist)

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non notable rapper. Created by 10 edits and go, new editor. Nothing in RS except press releases and PR junk. Fails MUSICBIO MistyGraceWhite (talk) 07:46, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
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 * Delete per nom, no RS to be found. Caro7200 (talk) 13:51, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment: the article creator has posted this on the talk page of this AfD: "Hi there, I see the StaJe artist wiki page was proposed for deletion. The article has been considerably improved with reliable information. The artist is soon to be signed by one of the big recording labels and the article will be further improved. Please consider giving some time for further improvement to come up to the policies' expectations (we're making out best right now). Thank you." That sounds like they may have a COI. Richard3120 (talk) 15:23, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, we need to clean up the COI then and get the autobio stuff out, but this is a useful article for hip hop fans. MaghrebiFalafel (talk) 03:03, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: The editor altered my comment above to remove their original statement that some of the sourcing came from the artist's PR agency. Richard3120 (talk) 16:57, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

MaghrebiFalafel (talk) 03:00, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, we will need to remove those. Fans need to write these articles. But from hip hop music fan's standpoint, I wouldn't delete this. I'd clean it up. Many other musicians' articles have the same issues, but I believe in improving rather than deleting. MaghrebiFalafel (talk) 03:30, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete delete delete. Yuck. More crappy PR spam, sourced to, real shocker here, black hat SEO spam. Praxidicae (talk) 16:42, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete as obvious promotional effort based on promotional sources, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 20:31, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete a non-notable rapper.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:53, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Strong keep None of you know anything about rappers. The nominator has a history of deleting notable rappers. How are Yahoo and the London Post fake sources? Notable music artist magazine publications (Respect Magazine, Clout News, Hypefresh). Published with Ritz Herald too. And StaJe is not just a rapper. He is a singer-song writer too who's been featured with Grammy-award winning producer David “Youngin” Kim on single “War”. MaghrebiFalafel (talk) 03:00, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment Don't destroy hip hop articles when you know nothing about hip hop. This is unacceptable bias against youth culture that should not be tolerated on Wikipedia. You are all further contributing to Wikipedia's gross inequities and diversity problems. No hip hop experts were consulted, and this is a major flaw in Wikipedia's system. It's like a major Apple product getting deleted if everyone votes delete due to the voters all being non tech-savvy guys who know nothing at all about Apple.
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 * That's not how this works. Wikipedia does have a bias problem, but that doesn't mean we accept BLPs that have 0 reliable sources. The London Post is not reliable, nor is Ritz Herald or the others, it's a black hat SEO operated site to inflate the importance of various firms clients and the Yahoo sources are press releases and literally are identified as such. If you want to rage about Wikipedia, there are other places to do that, but not at this AFD. Praxidicae (talk) 16:19, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

*Keep. Sources are as good as any others. Subject perfectly notable. Happy Padded Hippy (talk) 16:20, 9 May 2020 (UTC) — Happy Padded Hippy (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. sock strike Praxidicae (talk) 16:31, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
 * And that's not how this works. You can't say that a few bad sources invalidate all the sources. Some of them are reliable sources. And there is no rule that says you can't rage about Wikipedia on an AFD. I'm just pointing out the facts and trying to be fair. MaghrebiFalafel (talk) 06:09, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
 * If you think black hat spam is a valid source, you shouldn't be editing or weighing in on BLPs. Praxidicae (talk) 16:23, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Ah well that's not for you to decide. If you have a problem with one or two of the sources you can make changes to the article. Deletion is one big leap and this source is A-OK. Happy Padded Hippy (talk) 16:26, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
 * All of the sources are trash including "kake.com" as you would know if you bothered to read it, as it clearly displays a disclaimer that it's self published. Praxidicae (talk) 16:27, 9 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment: Working with a person who has won a Grammy does not make the subject automatically notable – see WP:INHERITED. The Yahoo source is not independent, it's a repost of a PR on Accesswire which states that it has been provided by StaJe's clothing company, so it's obviously biased. The London Post is not a real newspaper (I'm from London), it's a website staffed by five people that spouts any news item that it is sent for money... this can be seen by the complete lack of real news on its website. And where would we find a "hip hop expert" anyway? Richard3120 (talk) 16:30, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
 * You talk to Wikipedia users who contribute a lot to hip hop articles. Ain't that obvious? MaghrebiFalafel (talk) 06:09, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I contribute to a lot of articles on British post-punk/new wave artists... I wouldn't presume that makes me an expert on them. Richard3120 (talk) 14:51, 10 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment: Look, all these are notable hip hop sources. Respect magazine is huge and so is Medium magazine. They speak on most of the A-list artists. The unreliable sources are unreliable, but that does not invalidate the valid sources.


 * Respect (magazine): https://respect-mag.com/2020/05/labels-are-going-crazy-over-staje/
 * Hypefresh: https://www.hypefresh.co/new-song-redlight-staje/
 * Playbuzz: https://www.playbuzz.com/beethyc10/delivering-all-things-hip-hop-artist-staje-breaks-new-ground
 * Medium: https://medium.com/authority-magazine/rising-music-star-staje-i-would-like-to-see-less-one-household-family-homes-here-in-the-us-c415d60e536b?sk=ad05253dfb368d58743e2127c7c8d3fc

MaghrebiFalafel (talk) 05:58, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
 * every single one of those is PR SEO soam. Medium isn’t an RS. For someone who is making condescending and frankly ridiculous attacks on other editors knowledge, you know very little about sourcing. Perhaps you should read up on it instead of going on tirades. Praxidicae (talk) 15:43, 10 May 2020 (UTC)


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