Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Stacy Rotne

Tally: I count 13 delete votes, 5 keep votes, and 1 merge/redirect vote. I'll delete Stacy Rotner and its redirect Stacy Rotne now. Wile E. Heresiarch 06:42, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Stacy Rotne
Game show contestant. Participating in a game show is not evidence of notability. Come back after she wins the grand prize. Wile E. Heresiarch 14:20, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Comment updated above. Wile E. Heresiarch 20:39, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)


 * Delete -- Graham &#9786; | Talk 15:27, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. -- Necrothesp 17:14, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * But if it is kept, for Gawd's sake someone clean it up. It looks like a fansite at the moment, not a serious article. -- Necrothesp 10:16, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Non-notable game show contestant. Betcha that photo is a copyvio, too.   &mdash; Gwalla | Talk 17:26, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete: Greed is a sin. Non-notable. Geogre 18:24, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete - Greed is good - T&#949;x  &#964;  ur&#949;  19:35, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete Agreed, Greed is good, but encyclopedic is better. -Vina 20:00, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete, for What she lacks in height, she more than lacks in notability. --Ianb 20:55, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * KEEP - The Apprentice is a highly rated show. As this season continues she'll gain more notoriety. After all Omarosa Manigault-Stallworth has an article. -- Crevaner 23:23, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Never heard of it. Or that Omarosa person. -- Graham  &#9786; | Talk 14:43, 18 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * So? You're a hermit crab? Must that affect everyone else? -- user:zanimum
 * Delete. Non-notable game show contestant.  SWAdair | Talk  02:36, 18 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep, she inevitably will gain more notoriety! -- Old Right 15:51, 18 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Wikipedia is not about what might be, but about what is. Unless and until she becomes of note separate from this gameshow, there is no need for an article. Average Earthman 18:15, 18 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. I don't know what you mean by Greed; this woman was on The Apprentice 2, a show which causes more water-cooler talk than I've ever seen.  The show has a cult following and if every minor character and place in Star Trek, Star Wars, Pokemon and other fictional universes can have pages, I think a REAL live person on a reality (NOT game) show should have one.--[[User:Nricardo|Nelson Ricardo  >>Talk<<]] 15:36, Sep 19, 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. The winner *might* warrant a break-out article, but not every participant. BTW, if there's a "winner", I'd say it's a "game" show. And get rid of all the red-links for the "candidates" at The Apprentice 1 and The Apprentice 2. (Second season debut watched by 0.2% of the population)Niteowlneils 21:29, 19 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep Survivor, The Apprentice 1, and other shows all have contestant articles (even contestants who did not end up winning). Expand, don't delete. - MattTM 04:12, Sep 21, 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Not notable. An expanded article won't make a non-notable person notable. --Improv 15:53, 21 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Comment I just discovered that her name seems to be Stacy Rotner, not Rotne. (I refrained from moving it now since it's on VfD.)  And, if doing a Google test on Stacy, a search for "Stacy" + "The Apprentice" would be more accurate than searching for "Stacy Rotner", as the Apprentice candidates' last names were not even know until very recently, and are rarely used on discussion and other related sites.  So, this needs to be moved if it is kept. - MattTM 05:01, Sep 21, 2004 (UTC)


 * Merge and redirect into List of Apprentice 2 candidates Kuwanger 07:14, 21 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Note: above user has only four edits, 2 in VfD. T&#949;x  &#964;  ur&#949;  15:57, 21 Sep 2004


 * Keep, and here's the reasons why: --  user:zanimum
 * There are multiple categories in television that are relevant to this discussion.
 * The game show: Where "characters" don't emerge, unless they become Ken Jennings; the sole purpose of watching the show is see their path to the prize. Take Fear Factor, please.
 * The reality show: Where "characters" interact, often in a closed environment, for no true purpose but the entertainment of the viewer; may be artificially situated (The Surreal Life or The Simple Life.
 * The reality game show: The purpose of watching is both to find out how characters interact, and to see how they get to the prize. Take Survivor, Big Brother, The Real World.
 * Out of the above, The Apprentice fits into the reality game show most comfortably. However, unlike pretty much any other show before it, the prize is continuous, and would have existed without the show. Why? Trump needs to employ. Simply, it's an odd interview process, that balances character over credentials. It's quite clever really; while you can hide a dark side in an interview, it's going to come out in a longer, more grueling process. Mark Burnett has essentially tried to stir up a format (interviews) that has worked for decades, with a completely unique idea.
 * In like reality shows, Stacey et al are the equivilent of any character; take Injun Joe. Without Injun Joe, the story of of Tom and Huck would fall apart. There's many elements of the duos adventures that would be left intact, but it just wouldn't be the same creative work. Same with any independent reality show contestant, and I will explain this classification later. Without Stacey, the chemistry of the show simply wouldn't be the same. The show would have a different outcome entirely, etc, etc. The difference between Stacey and a girl on the Bachelor, say, is that unless she makes it until the final episode or so, Jayne http://abc.go.com/primetime/bachelor/bios/6/jayne.html won't have an truely individual personality or thoughts. And I don't mean to undermine that show. It's just the sheer quantity of contestants on The Bachelor makes it nearly impossible to create identifiable characters, beyond a caricature, possibly. But seeing just one episode of The Apprentice 2, you can tell how Stacey ticks, how she works.
 * If someone can go from relative obscurity, albeit with fairly good credentials, to have 20500 Google hits (http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=stacy%2Bapprentice&meta=) in about a month, obviously there's a fan following of the show, and her.
 * "Greed is a sin." She is simply going through a unorthodox job candidate interview process. Anyone mentioning anything like this should quite frankly have their vote nulled, as part of their reason for voting to delete is solely based on their POV.
 * To those of you who say, "never heard of her", I say might as well go the same cocky-know-it-all route and say that "I've never heard of the United States v. E. C. Knight Co. court case. We should delete is because I'm a genius, and if I'm a genius and I haven't heard of it, it mustn't be important." I'm frankly tired of people using this pathetic attitude, it doesn't belong here.
 * Googling for Stacey + The Apprentice would find Stacey Rotner just as fast now as if it was part of a jumbo-sized contestant article.
 * The name was a slight typo that I've corrected.
 * The photo is not a copyvio. It is a press photo available to anyone, even without registration or proper press credentials, from the NBC press website.
 * Delete. Unless she gains the fames of someone like Osamara (sp?), I see no reason why this information couldn't just be listed on a convenient "The Apprentice 2 - List of Contestants" page.  If she's still that well known to google a year after the last episode of this season airs, then maybe she should get her own entry. --Lifefeed 19:46, Sep 22, 2004 (UTC)