Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Stag PDX


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Trending keep, but might be renominated if media coverage hasn't improved after some time.  Sandstein  17:37, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

Stag PDX

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References indicate local notability only, fails WP:ORG. ukexpat (talk) 15:14, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep as article creator. This club has been covered by multiple reliable sources, is relevant to Portland/Oregon's LGBT culture, and is only the second club of its kind (all-nude gay strip club, after Silverado, which is also located in Portland). Reviews have described its origins, design and activities, and surely there will be more press about this venue as it becomes more established. I propose we keep the article and let it grow. It makes a good companion article to CC Slaughters, Darcelle XV, Silverado, Three Sisters Tavern, and several other articles related to Portland's LGBT culture. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:58, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
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 * Keep. High quality article, nicely done. &mdash; Cirt (talk) 02:39, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete - Ordinary nightclub receiving only mundane and typical coverage in the press received of all such establishments, thereby failing GNG. Wikipedia is NOT A DIRECTORY, no matter how nicely crafted the directory listings are. Carrite (talk) 14:52, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I would not use the word "ordinary" to describe this nightclub. In fact, it is quite unique! :) --- Another Believer  ( Talk ) 15:15, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 15:09, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Userfy or Incubate Searches turned up no sources beyond those already cited in the article. The Willamette Week review, PQ monthly, and GoLocalPDX together satisfy most of WP:CORP, but nom is correct that the article fails WP:AUD because all its sources are local to Portland. The club has been open barely 10 weeks. Given more time it's likely it will gain attention from regional or national media. Silverado, for example, is covered in Lonely Planet's guidebook to the Pacific Northwest, and was reviewed last year (along with 10 other Portland strip clubs) in Bon Appétit. Another possibility is that the club may fizzle out in short order; it's the fourth bar at that address in a year. So move article to User: or Draft: space until the club gains at least regional notability. Worldbruce (talk) 06:39, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment: PQ Monthly is a regional publication, not a local one. --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me ) 03:02, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep This venue has received reviews by multiple entertainment magazines. Those reviews were not paid, but because a journalist wanted to highlight the venue. The details which make this place unusual - it is a nude gay stripper bar in a region where this is uncommon - are highlighted by the sources, and are a likely reason why this place gets special attention when 95% of other similar bars would not be reviewed by the same journalists. I grant that Wikipedia policy about travel journalism is unclear - the reviews are short but then also they say everything that needs to be said, and for some topics, being brief is enough. I am satisfied that 2-3 sources which are reliable for what they are have covered this and that at a glance, this seems to meet WP:GNG.  Blue Rasberry   (talk)  23:40, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Userfy or Incubate: I think that it is very difficult to establish notability in the sense taken here for an entertainment venue established in the same year the article was composed and whose founders are not themselves notable. There is virtue in patience, though people who like the venue, or find it unique, or wish to combat bias here, could find it very hard to pull back an article and wait a year or two until notability is firmly established (I think it will be, by the way). --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me ) 03:13, 21 July 2015 (UTC)


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