Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Stan Jones (mystery writer)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. (non-admin closure) buidhe 12:27, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Stan Jones (mystery writer)

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Unref blp which has been in CAT:NN for 12 years. No evidence he is WP:NOTABLE. Boleyn (talk) 14:24, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 14:41, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Alaska-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 14:41, 8 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep Needs some love (from, uh, someone), but his books appear to be consistently reviewed in reliable sources such as The New York Times, USA Today, Wall Street Journal, People, Entertainment Weekly, Kirkus Reviews, etc. Caro7200 (talk) 14:59, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep A fine example of what you get out of the community's "consensus" that only certain parts of the encyclopedia are fair game for active collaboration while the remainder of entries are merely the vanity project of some individual editor or another, otherwise described as a popularity contest. Something which is not very popular around here is the fact that a typical Google search will not tell you a whole lot about what was notable in the 1980s.  Jones's website biography offers one very important clue: "After Kotzebue, I lived in Anchorage, Fairbanks, and then Anchorage again, working as a newspaper journalist.  I won several major national awards for investigative stories that led to impeachment proceedings against one of Alaska’s governors, and for coverage of the Exxon Valdez oil spill."  The Alaska governor in question was Bill Sheffield.  That story and the oil spill (as well as a host of other stories coming from Alaska in the 1980s which have received little or no acknowledgement on the encyclopedia) were both very significant.  If the Sheffield impeachment story is not as obvious to the average person compared with the oil spill, the most basic of Google searches turns up contemporary stories from the New York Times, Los Angeles Times and UPI.  That this article does not acknowledge any of this and dwells too much on a series of mystery novels is evidence that collaboration is lacking on this website, enabling someone's POVish exercise in myopia instead.  If it's been tagged as NN for 12 years and my watchlist shows regular evidence of editor who have ample time for Wikipedia, I would think that someone could have arrived at this conclusion long ago.  At the very least, the nominator could have performed the necessary amount of WP:BEFORE other editors are obviously performing.  Clearing a maintenance category backlog merely for the sake of clearing a backlog ≠ a net benefit to achieving "the sum of all human knowledge". RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions  22:44, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
 * , most of what you have written above is irrelevant and assuming bad faith (e.g. 'someone's POVish exercise in myopia...') or suggesting I am 'clearing a maintenance category backlog merely for the sake of clearing...' It isn't fair. Please stick to commenting on the notability. Boleyn (talk) 18:25, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- RoySmith (talk) 00:36, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep, meets WP:NAUTHOR, Jones' books are held in 100s of libraries ie. White Sky, Black Ice, Shaman Pass, Village of the Ghost Bears, Frozen Sun, Tundra Kill (198), The Big Empty (189), reflecting a "well-known collective of work"; there are also plenty of reviews of them with some titles having multiple (meeting WP:NBOOK and entitled to own standalone wikiarticle) ie. The Big Empty: Publishers Weekly (here), Booklist (here); White Sky, Black Ice: Publishers Weekly (here), Kirkus Reviews (here), The New York Times Book Review (here), Booklist and Library Journal (here); Shaman Pass: Publishers Weekly (here), Kirkus Reviews (here), The New York Times Book Review (here), Booklist (here); Frozen Sun: Kirkus Reviews (star review here), Library Journal, Booklist, and The New York Times Book Review (here); Village of the Ghost Bears: Publishers Weekly (star review here), Kirkus Reviews (star revivew here), The Guardian (here), The New York Times (here), Booklist, Library Journal, and School Library Journal (here), Midwest Book Review (here (under "Klausner's Bookshelf"); Tundra Kill: Publishers Weekly (star review here), Kirkus Reviews (here), Fairbanks Daily News-Miner (here (subscription required)). ps. these reviews werent difficult (although time consuming:)) to find, just gsearch booktitle author "reviews" and looked thru 1st 8 or so pages of results, and looked at a couple of library sites Coolabahapple (talk) 12:24, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment, have removed blp notability tag from article as above shows that jones is. Coolabahapple (talk) 12:27, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per Coolabahapple's sources. -- Toughpigs (talk) 14:38, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. A quick review of the above sources give enough of an indication of the subject's notability. If, as it appears, there are issues with respect to the sourcing, then I reckon that may be better sorted out on the article's talk page. Regards, MBlaze Lightning  15:42, 20 March 2020 (UTC)


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