Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Stan Obal


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was DELETE. Andrew Lenahan -  St ar bli nd  13:36, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Stan Obal

 * DeleteThis is not a fucking joke.....this is my private life and please take it down. Im NOT HAPPY about this!!!!!!! Stan — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.12.116.71 (talk • contribs) 22:35, 16 November 2006
 * When writing biographies about people on Wikipedia, the approval of the person being written about is not necessary. Also, please try to be civil in your comments on Wikipedia in the futureVeinor (ヴエノル(talk)) 22:58, 16 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Do Not Delete The person made a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in their specific field. Notable. Keep. Unixham 20:21, 16 November 2006 (UTC) — Unixham (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Do Not Delete Stan Obal is known internationally for his contributions to the scooter community. There are thousands of people who consider him not only notable but also magnificent.71.56.102.255 19:30, 16 November 2006 (UTC)Christina Sacco — 71.56.102.255 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Do Not Delete Notable per WP:BIO. Apparently important both in the vintage scooter community and in Chattanooga, Tennessee. He has had numerous awards named for him at various scooter rallies. Lack of ghits does not make someone un-notable. Qmax 22:04, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Do Not Delete - Of course if you live in your mom's basement, and never leave the house, like Hatch68, NeoChaosX, and Veinor, then you've never met Stan. But I fully expect this to be deleted because anytime someone tries to post useful information about scooters or the scooter scene on Wikipedia or Wiktionary the post always gets deleted or reverted by some moron with no actual knowledge on the subject. scooteristi 19:04, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Personal attacks like that are not necessary. I have no bias here, but simply feel that this person does not merit an entry.  You can have as many people come here and make statements as you'd like, but no one has provided firm references and even people coming here to inveigh against deletion are making nonsensical entries to the article like "Stan has big hands."  I'm convinced now that there is a certain amount of "sock puppetry" occuring on this discussion page as well.--Hatch68 22:26, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree; there's either some sock puppets or meat puppets here. Veinor (ヴエノル(talk)) 23:36, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Do Not Delete - Being involved in the scootering scene for several years and I believe that the scootering community is large enough to support this entry. Once this entry is embraced an abundance of information will be posted. Long live Stan Obal on Wikipedia. (these comments added by Zemzem) — Zemzem (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Delete Fails the notable person test.--Hatch68 21:39, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Veinor (ヴエノル(talk)) 21:41, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Should be noted here that User:Hillcityjosh is a member of the club mentioned in the Stan Obal article according to this web site so his comments on this page are not neutral.--Hatch68 04:42, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Do Not Delete. He is well known and an icon for the entire US east coast scooter community and not Chattanooga only. Trophyes for scooter events of significant size have been named after him.  Scooterist community is large and will support him.  LP, B'ham, AL  — 206.17.145.132 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Delete The assertions of notability in terms of scootering are insufficient, and his bands were wholly non-notable. "Stan Obal" gets only 43 unique Google hits, and "Stanley Obal" gets just 25. -- Kicking222 22:52, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. And "I will establish notability later" is not a reason to keep. You have to do it immediately. -Amarkov blahedits 23:02, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per Amarkov and Kicking222. The vintage scooter community and Chattanooga aren't large enough to establish actual notability. Veinor (ヴエノル(talk)) 23:06, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Please do deleteAdasarathy 23:10, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete as this person fails the WP:BIO test of notability. NeoChaosX (he shoots, he scores!) 01:06, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Now, skoot. Ohconfucius 05:48, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Do Not Delete Who are you to say that his bands were non-notable? Timescape Zero was very influential to early 90's Miami-style Hardcore.  How many unique google hits does the average person get?  That is not a valid argument.  The scootering community is quite large.  152.163.100.71
 * Do Not Delete - I think that like many things, scooterists are not particularily involved in posting their victories on the internet. I think that if someone like Archimedes Plutonium deserves a wikipedia page that someone who has actually accomplished something in terms of his musical and driving career deserves an entry. User:Jojo-themonkey --Jojo-themonkey 18:02, 16 November 2006 (UTC) — Jojo-themonkey (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * "If article X them article Y." is a fallacious argument, for obvious reasons. Your only arguments are sources, sources, sources.  Please cite some.  Without them, you have effectively made no argument at all. Uncle G 21:28, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
 * A number of sources have been cited, including the Scooter Cannonball Run. The issue seems to be whether they provide sufficient evidence of Stan Obal's notability to warrant a Wikipedia entry. Qmax
 * Delete. This one is ultraeasy.  43 Ghits does not a notable person make.  -- ShinmaWa(talk) 18:39, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per all the above. --TheOtherBob 19:30, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Do Not Delete I'm wondering what is notable in the current scooter scene. If anyone is listed this guy should be! Syncop8 — Syncop8 (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * So far, none of the editors claiming that this person has made "a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in their specific field" have actually cited any such historical records. If you wish to demonstrate that this person satisfies the Criteria for inclusion of biographies, you must cite where this person has been documented in the history of xyr field.  Arguments that are not consistent with our Policies and guidelines, such as "Scooterist community is large and will support him.", do not count.  And claiming that this person is part of an enduring historical record and then being unable to point to that record will wholly undermine your argument.  Please cite sources. Uncle G 21:28, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Is notable given whis 2006 win of the famous Cannonball Run cross country race. See: http://www.scootercannonball.com/ Qmax 21:32, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
 * It's not at all clear to me that the thing he won was in any way related to the Cannonball Run. That he won a race that the members of his subculture call Cannonball Run doesn't mean he won the Cannonball Run.--TheOtherBob 21:39, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
 * The Scooter Cannonball Run is a coast to coast ride done on scooters. It is NOT 'the' Cannonball run of Automobile fame, it is an endurance ride similiar to the Iron Butt Association for motorcycle rider. http://www.ironbutt.com/about/default.cfm
 * The first Scooter Cannonball was held in 2004 and covered in the national scooter magazines http://www.scootquarterly.com/product_info.php/products_id/43 http://www.vespaclubusa.org/as/backissues/2005/issue45_as.htm 24.236.66.127 05:53, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
 * http://www.corazzo.net/?q=node/74 Statements made as to Stan's undeniable Gymkhana abilities and winning a cross-country race called the Scooter Cannonball. 64.12.116.71 21:41, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I realize the issues with citing blogs, but here's a reference to his winning the Deliverence 4 Gymkhana http://chattablogs.com/quintus/archives/028810.html Qmax 20:18, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete - Winning the Scooter Cannonball race makes it a closer question. However, to pass the bio test for widely recognized contribution in a specific field, there must still be some independent media coverage.  All I could find were blogs, clubs and a mention by an advertiser. -Kubigula (ave) 23:32, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
 * There is/will be more independant media coverage, including coverage by Kymco, Road Rash Motorcycle Magazine, and others. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jen106 (talk • contribs) — Jen106 (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Delete - pease delete this. stan is a big jerk and i am more popular than him, even if he has big hands and a huge shlong.  no, of course i'm not drunk.  he is a mean, mean person - i once saw him spit on a jew and kick a retarded kid in his netherregions, just because he had large, deformed ears.  i humbly toss my vote into the hat of DELETE!!!!!!!!!!  mean, mean man- please! Rob Downs (ave) 23:32, 16 November 2006 (UTC) — robdowns (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * DELETE - I am the original author of this page and request it be deleted. Hillcityjosh 13:19, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
 * So? You only get to do that if it was mistakenly created, or is in your userspace. And if you're the only contributor. None of those are satisfied. -Amarkov blahedits 21:35, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep, he is notable. Delete, I mistook irrelevant things for references. Ignore sockpuppets, please. -Amarkov blahedits 22:15, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
 * You're changing your vote? No reliable sources have been given to meet WP:Bio and most of the sockpuppets have weighed in to keep the article, not delete it.--Hatch68 22:11, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Changing my vote? What? Also, I don't really care what side socks weigh in on, they should still be ignored. -Amarkov blahedits 22:14, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete and salt, consider action against disruptive SPA's as well - As per excellent arguments by UncleG. -- Elar  a  girl  Talk 23:00, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete precisely as per Uncle G. Arm-waving is a waste of time, space and everybody's patience - without sources the article will be deleted.  Find them, please, or accept our policies with good grace. Guy (Help!) 23:46, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
 * For the record, I'm neither a meat-puppet or sock-puppet, and they're Wikipedia's policies, no more so yours than anyone else. He's notable for winning a number of events in the Scootering scene; poor representation on Wikipedia is not a reason against inclusion. Qmax 23:54, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
 * No one accused you of being either one but some SPA's have made a vote in this discussion. Furthermore, in order to pass WP:BIO there must be widely recognized contribution in a specific field of which there is independent media coverage -- and not just blogs and fansites. --  Elar  a  girl  Talk 00:07, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete - Fails WP:BIO Torinir ( Ding my phone  My support calls   E-Support Options  ) 00:23, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails WP:BIO. TJ Spyke 00:45, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete and salt The notability criteria are obviously not met here and it's becoming increasingly obvious that this person's friends just created the article as a joke to embarrass him. Just end the charade now. JChap2007 01:27, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:BIO. Most of the Google hits are discussion groups, blogs or Myspace pages. I can't find any mainstream news coverage of the subject. --Metropolitan90 05:31, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per above comments. There's just no sources here for these silly assertions of notability. Sandstein 07:06, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.