Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Standards of measure in Iron Age Europe

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The result of the debate was Delete --Allen3 talk 13:00, August 13, 2005 (UTC)

Standards of measure in Iron Age Europe
Same reason as for Votes for deletion/Standards of measure in the Copper Age above. Egil 08:52, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete as above Proto t c 09:21, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

* Keep, Valuable, uses links to ancient maps and commentaries, well researched, well cited, interesting, informative. Rktect 7:25, 8 August 2005 (UTC)


 * updated and under mediation

Rktect 6:03, 5 August 2005 (EST)
 * Looking at unit standards of measure comparatively by cultures
 * makes it much easier to see who shared measures with whom.


 * Iron age standards are different than copper age or medieval standards
 * because this is the period when the Greek and Roman and for that matter Phoenician
 * empires are heavily engaged in trade with Europe.
 * Traders moved overland, up rivers and along coasts which they surveyed.
 * Rivers like the Dneiper, Dneister, Danube and Don
 * led deep into Germanica to connect with rivers like the Oder and Rhine.


 * As the Greek and Roman traders moved into into Germany well in advance of
 * any conquering armies they carried with them standards of measure for
 * commerce and agriculture.


 * These Greek and Roman units are already well established in the popular literature
 * as opposed to obscure technical publications written in dead languages
 * for copper and iron age units so they are much easier to document
 * and have much more accessible web sources.


 * As to giving their values to the nearest whole mm rather than to several
 * decimals of mm, iron age standards are not precise to decimal mm
 * or variant to 10's of mm and generally best established to +/- 1 mm per foot.


 * For those cultures for whom there is a written contemporary primary reference
 * to sharing a standard (as with Ptolomy;s geography) which was cited on the
 * discussion page for ancient weights and measures, there are long term
 * investigations of the units involved and the results
 * are now considered basic historical fact.


 * In the past many people have applied an ethnocentric perspective
 * to "their measures" stating that they are "Anglo Saxon", "German",
 * "Danish" French or "English" when they actually have much longer
 * histories that have been explored in the literature.


 * Being able to see the connection broken down by conventional archaeological
 * period rather than simply lumped to gether as ancient makes the similarities
 * and differances much clearer


 * The objection that these studies are original research is also invalid
 * as their original sources have been cited on the discussion page and
 * in some cases transcriptions of the original ancient language with
 * translations given in English


 * Delete as per all the other articles in this series. Nandesuka 17:26, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Rktect's claim notwithstanding, there are no sources cited on the discussion page for this article. Nandesuka 19:07, 5 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Delete, the article has no introduction and no useful information, it's simply a list. Xaa 00:07, 6 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Delete as for all the other articles in this series. Ken 13:02, August 8, 2005 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.