Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Stanley Bell


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The result was keep. (non-admin closure)  Bait30   Talk 2 me pls? 17:07, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Stanley Bell

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Merely being a contestant in the Commonwealth games is not enough to show notability. This is especially true considering the sources. My search for addtional sources turned up nothing else about this Stanley Bell. Instead I found information on an American sailor who was active about 20 years later and a lead fictional character in a novel. The sources here are 1-a table that lists an S. Bell, I am not sure how we even know his full first name is Stanley. B-a ship passenger list that is behind a paywall. That said, having looked at ship passenger lists, they are primary sources not giving indepth information on the sbuject. At best it may say his occupations is "Engineer/swimmer", but even if it does I am not sure how we can extrapolate from that that it is this S. Bell, and even if we could that is still no in any way adding to notability. Unless we are prepared to make articles on everyone who we have surviving documentation of their existence before 1950, including every single person who came through Ellis Island, I do not see how the sources we have here justify having an article on Stanley Bell. The bare table would add towards an article on S. Bell, but I do not think we want to create articles on everyone whose name appeared in some sports table, even if we literally have no other information on them. John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:30, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Actually when I first searched the first information I found was information on two other swimmers, one last name Stanley, the other last name Bell, who were in the same match.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:31, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople and England. Shellwood (talk) 15:36, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Redirect to England at the 1930 British Empire Games per [{WP:ATD]], WP:PRESERVE, WP:R and WP:CHEAP. He did win a silver medal too.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 19:04, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep per the excellent sourcing by Bungle, below. Nice work!  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 20:14, 24 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep as I have found some historic coverage from around the time of the 1930 games which I have expanded the article with. I think what strengthens the keep also is the fact he won a silver medal in the games as noted by Lugnuts, as well as being champion of some local and regional championships which was reported on at the time. I appreciate that contrary to typical tradition, JPL seems to have made reasonable efforts to ascertain notability on this occasion, and had Bell merely just competed without reward, maybe the case would not be so strong. I think a medal, plus other reported recognitions can satisfy at least WP:BASIC. Bungle (talk • contribs) 20:11, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep per Bungle. Great stuff. Nearly as good as Southend Pier. No Great Shaker (talk) 23:39, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Very kind of you to give a shout-out to one of my expansions, though your "pier" review was equally impressive :) For Stanley Bell, I also found this which is decent coverage about him that i'll try and include too. Bungle (talk • contribs) 07:18, 25 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep. Medallist at the Empire Games, so clearly notable. -- Necrothesp (talk) 01:29, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:HEY. Article not what it was when nominated for deletion. NemesisAT (talk) 11:40, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
 * From WP:NOLYMPICS, "Athletes from any sport are presumed notable if they have won a medal at the modern Olympic Games, including the Summer Olympics (since 1896)", so if he won a silver as per Lugnuts, it's an obvious Keep. Jacona (talk) 13:38, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Bell did not participate in the Olympics. He participated in the Commonwealth Games. As far as I can tell he was not in the Olympics at all.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:17, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Correct, his medal is in the empire games and the article makes no mention of an Olympic participation. I haven't found anything to suggest participation but the coverage already present should suffice keeping anyway. The empire (now commonwealth) games is still a major competition and a medal in that is still significant. Bungle (talk • contribs) 17:20, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:HEY. Best, GPL93 (talk) 15:23, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep, per great expansion work by Bungle. BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:15, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep. While only two of the sources are WP:SIGCOV, it is likely that a third exists but is difficult to find. Was a reasonable nomination at the time. BilledMammal (talk) 04:37, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep as per new sources added which demonstrate passing of WP:GNG. As an aside, Commonwealth Games medallists are listed as likely notable (and it's clear why, because this historic one is notable, despite it not originally looking so at first glance). Joseph2302 (talk) 11:00, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
 * When I first came across the article is did not mention him being a medalist at all. It just said he competed, and at least as far as I could tell from the one source I looked at, it was just saying he competed. I could not find other sources on him, just other people of the same name, and the other source linked to was behind a paywall and a primary source, a ship passenger manifest.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:12, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Would you be willing to withdraw your nomination now, in light of the improvements that have been made? NemesisAT (talk) 15:07, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
 * At the time of the nom, while not mentioned in the prose, he was clearly categorized as a Commonwealth Games medalist and linked to from List of Commonwealth Games medallists in swimming (men) (a WP:BEFORE includes looking at What links here). You also only had to click on his thecgf.com profile available through the first citation to see he won a silver medal. It was one click away. Jevansen (talk) 02:17, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:HEY and the work put into the article. The subject also medaled at the 1930 British Empire Games. --Kbabej (talk) 15:25, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:HEY.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 16:17, 31 March 2022 (UTC)


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