Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Stanley Stair


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The result was keep. Hog Farm Talk 00:37, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

Stanley Stair

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Stair lived a long time, and happened to have served in a particular military unit, and to have been the last living person to have served in that unit. None of this adds up to notability. Our one source is not even about him, it name drops him in the context of covering the news of the last verteran of a war from a certain region to have died. There is just not enough here to show notability. John Pack Lambert (talk) 12:51, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Military and United Kingdom. Shellwood (talk) 12:56, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment Not much found, three mentions in Gscholar confirm he was the last surviving veteran of the unit, not sure they add up to notability. Oaktree b (talk) 14:42, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment A Google search lead me to this profile and these two artcicles about an award given to Mr Stair in 2004. A Google book search for Stanley Stair turned up a book called "Caribbean Military Encounters" which notes that Mr Stair's relatives appeared on Not Forgotten (TV series) talking about his story. One of his grandchildren is shown with a binder full of news clippings about Mr Stair. Polycarpa aurata (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 23:05, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Were the clips actually about Mr. Stair though, or were they clips about events that Mr. Stair was in some way involved in and that his family felt helped tell his story, but that did not mention him by name at all?John Pack Lambert (talk) 12:24, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
 * They were talking about his story in the context of his involvement in the war, but it was the binder full of newspaper clipping that I wanted to point out. Polycarpa aurata (talk) 15:08, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
 * So for all we know the newspaper clippings only are about events in the war, that maybe he was remotely involved in, not neccesarily ones that mentioned him.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:18, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Well, they could be clippings of television listings and crossword puzzles, but since the host of the show was interviewing two of Mr Stanley's family members about him, the context suggests that they relate to him. There is a reference made to one of them - an interview with Mr Stanley on his 100th birthday. It's a bit of a moot point, since I've already offered three articles about Mr Stanley which should be enough to show that he is notable. That was just by doing a quick Google search. I'm sure if someone took the time to look in Caribbean sources, they would find more. Polycarpa aurata (talk) 22:50, 14 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Comment I do not think everyone who gets human insterest coverage when they are extremely old is notable for that.John Pack Lambert (talk) 12:38, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment 2 of the 3 articles above look to be the same, which is actually about the unit Stair was part of, I do not think the amount it says about him rises to GNG passing coverage. The third is a case of an article that is about who a town honored in a local ceremony. That is not the type of covgerage that leads to passing GNG period. I do not think any of these sources are enough to pass GNG or justify having an article.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:06, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete fails WP:BASIC. Mztourist (talk) 10:50, 18 June 2022 (UTC) Weak Keep based on new sources added. Mztourist (talk) 08:16, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete The award article is not significant coverage, and the other one is an interview, therefore mostly not independent. That his relatives received coverage has no bearing here. Overall a GNG fail. Avilich (talk) 14:58, 19 June 2022 (UTC) No opinion in view of recent expansion. Avilich (talk) 23:03, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Mergeall content from Stanley Stair (including photo, etc.) with article on George Blackman. Not sure how merges get handled after AfD close, but I am happy to work on merging the content for the two pages if needed. (It's the Guardian article that clearly connects the two biographies in the note at the very bottom.) Cielquiparle (talk) 17:47, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 21:14, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep I have added several sources. I suggest watching the "Soldiers of Empire" episode of "Not Forgotten". It shouldn't be hard to find on YouTube. Polycarpa aurata (talk) 19:39, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep changing vote in light of helpful expansion by ! The Jamaica Gleaner profile focusing on Stanley Stair does include quotes from him, but it also incorporates extensive factual content which was presumably reviewed and fact checked by the newspaper. The award article in Jamaica Observer includes a paragraph with additional facts about Stanley Stair's life. (I haven't been able to find the right "Soldiers of Empire" (if a link exists, we should add it to the page), but in addition to interviewing family members, it most likely includes a historical narrative placing Stanley's role in the regiment into context.) Nice work. Cielquiparle (talk) 21:16, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
 * The newspaper clipping that is shown during the video is headlined "Still Standing – A war veteran's survival story" and features a huge photo of Stanley Stair. So it's quite likely this is yet another feature article in a print Jamaica newspaper, focusing only on Stanley. (Found it on YouTube as "part 2" of the "Not Forgotten" documentary series, and yes, it includes plenty of historical context from Ian Hislop / Channel 4, independent of Stanley's family members.) Cielquiparle (talk) 22:32, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
 * So there are at least two additional feature articles published in Jamaica on Stanley Stair which we haven't been able to access yet – one from 2000, which was published on the occasion of his 100th birthday (referenced in the Channel 4 documentary), and his obituary from 2008. Cielquiparle (talk) 23:19, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep this article is in much better shape than when it was nominated. Sources added by amount to WP:SIGCOV. Meets BASIC. Jacona (talk) 17:52, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep with the article improvements since the AFD was opened, this article now has significant coverage to pass WP:GNG. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:41, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep with congrats to and  for successful WP:HEY efforts to improve the article!  — Grand&#39;mere Eugene (talk) 20:50, 28 June 2022 (UTC)


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