Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Star Trek: Axanar


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The result was redirect to Prelude to Axanar. Deor (talk) 13:37, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Star Trek: Axanar

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Fails WP:NFF. Star Trek "fan" film crowdfunded by Kickstarter. Coverage in reliable sources is pretty scarce. General practice per NFF is to not create an article until the project has at least begun principal photography, and even then that usually only applies if there is enough RS coverage to qualify the film's notability. Betty Logan (talk) 17:36, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
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 * Comment: Apparently a VERY successful kickstarter program. With George Takei's support it raised $650,000.00 so far... SIX times what production was hoping. A 20-minute, $80k fan-film Prelude to Axanar screened  last month at San Diego's Comicon, and helped push funding to the feature-film level.  Considering the involvement of known Star Trek actors, This is already gaining a lot of (fan) coverage. Even if we do not find a home for this article yet, it will surpass WP:NFF (paragraph 3) the moment filming is announced. And, even TOO SOON has its exception.   Schmidt,  Michael Q. 07:04, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
 * There is virtually no coverage outside of fan sites and social media. There is nothing there that constitutes "significant coverage" in reliable sources, and that still doesn't address the CRYSTAL concerns. If filming started today the coverage wouldn't satisfy our general notability criteria. Film productions collapse all the time after being announced which is why NFF insist on filming commencing. Betty Logan (talk) 08:34, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Oh, .... you underestimate the fervor of a set of Star Trek fans with nearly 3/4 million to spend on their own special pet project, and their not having to answer to big-studio bean-counters... only to other fans as fervent as themselves. And contrary to your supposition, the topic of a film to be called Axanar IS beginning to be covered more-than-trivially in reliable sources: Tech Times, Guardian Liberty 1, Guardian Liberty 2, Inquistr, Indiewire, etc. The topic of this financed planned film meets WP:GNG but, because as filming has not actually begun, guideline and policy suggest it could be spoken of somewhere if not in it's own article. But just you wait. .  Schmidt,  Michael Q. 09:39, 28 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Prelude looks good and professional, it was a decent cast of well known semi-famous support casting and a real story to push the move. Do not Delete! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.57.98.2 (talk) 18:34, 29 August 2014‎
 * Response: That could be a possible argument for keeping an article on the prequel short film Prelude to Axanar should it be created, as it does have the secondary coverage to sneak up on WP:GNG... but liking Prelude is not a reason to keep an article on the feature film not-yet-shooting.  Schmidt,  Michael Q. 21:48, 29 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Redirect (for now) to Prelude to Axanar where the unmade film Star Trek: Axanar is discussed in context to the prequel... a film which has been released and has coverage to meet WP:NF. I gave the matter some thought and then spent the last few hours creating the redirect target as a much more comprehensive and far better sourced article. Allow recreation once this second film actually begins filming and when WP:NFF (paragraph 3) can be then be met for the now currently unmade Star Trek: Axanar.  Schmidt,  Michael Q. 13:50, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
 * sounds like a good idea, just need to make sure this page does not get recreated to soon. Blokker 1999 (talk) 16:33, 30 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Michael and I have discussed this at my talk page and I support his "Redirect" proposal. Betty Logan (talk) 16:53, 30 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Redirect I initially was for this, and Prelude was really good, and there is a good chance that this will be created in a timely manner. However, I have been so cynical with kickstarter productions being way off their target production dates, that I also agree that this page is not warranted at the moment. Oldag07 (talk) 00:42, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
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