Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Star Wars: Storm in the Glass


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was no consensus. Can&#39;t sleep, clown will eat me 04:15, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Star Wars: Storm in the Glass

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non notable fan films. imdb no page. Google News no match page. Sufnv 09:37, 31 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete - I must agree, there is almost nothing on the web about it. The only references are to some obscure Russian webpages. Nor is it at Amazon or IMDB Snailwalker | talk 11:44, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. MER-C 13:18, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete NN, fails WP:V. Davidpdx 12:07, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep google searches work on its name in Russian. "Results 1 - 100 of about 85,100 for Звёздные войны: Буря в стакане"  ALKIVAR &trade; &#x2622; 14:49, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Searching in English isn't the way to demonstrate that though. I'm also reminded of the words of our chairman: User:Anthere/Values... finally, this article was recently a DYK selection and was on the main page... This is plenty notable enough. Keep. ++Lar: t/c 15:03, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
 * That it was selected as DYK does not make it notable in my eyes, it's just another kind of original research in my eyes. And the argument about the Russian search result is not valid either in my eyes, I guess most of the results are due to the fact that Star Wars is in the title. Snailwalker | talk 20:08, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I think you may possibly be mistaken on how Google searching works, or at least it appears so from the above response. If you search for the entire title as a quote, only sites taht directly reference that title will be returned as results. If I just search for Star Wars as loose words, I am going to get about 3 billion results. (give or take)... it is only if I search for the entire title that I get meaningful results, which is what I believe Alkivar did. Selection as DYK doesn't itself confer notability. But what it does is suggest that (since the DYK process downchecks non notable articles all the time) that the selectors DID think it was notable, whether they (our new process means one person selects, and usually another vets it before it moves to the page) actually turn up here to comment or not, and that perhaps they saw notability where you did not. Hope that helps. ++Lar: t/c 21:46, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Well the original research was NOT with quotes. I just tried to search in Google using quotes and it only returned 559 results, which I must say is not very impressive Snailwalker | talk 17:17, 3 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete - I hardly think that the DYK thing is grounds for notability. This "fanfilm" (more a remix, if I read the article properly) is virtually unknown in the Star Wars fanfilm community, and I see nothing that lends any notability to it. TheRealFennShysa 20:06, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
 * The English-speaking Star Wars fanfilm community, maybe. But it's a Russian film. Philwelch 10:28, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep - it's sort of an "anti-fan"-film, actually. It is known in Russia, although not terribly popular. It is also not directed at the Star Wars community or fans, but at the general audience. The amusing part is not the plotline (which is warped beyond recognition), but rather, numerous quotes and episodes from Soviet and Russian history and media. This makes the remix interesting almost exclusively to those familiar with these realia, mainly, Russians themselves. The ru wiki has this article, as well. --Illythr 01:37, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Agreed, the translation would be an undesirable in the SW fan community, as it makes fun of something they like. I'm not surprised no English-speaking SW fan will acknowledge it. Chronolegion 20:27, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep—Counter Systemic Bias! Philwelch 10:28, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep - You would not see the movie sold in the United States, as I doubt Goblin had George Lucas's permission to translate the movie. Whether or not the movie is sold in the US or not should not be the grounds for deletion. Chronolegion 15:28, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Well you have to remind that IMDB doesn't have it and they have almost all notable movies, including foreign languages. Snailwalker | talk 17:17, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Even those that big movie producers might not want to be there? After all, as far as I know, the movie was translated and sold in violation of international copyright (something which doesn't really carry much weight in Russia). Chronolegion 20:19, 3 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete. The Russian Wikipedia article does not have any reliable sources on this either. The English Wikipedia article does not have reliable sources, and the Russian Wikipedia article does not have reliable sources. Are there any reliable sources whatsoever to be had, in Russian or English? If this had been an English Star Wars fanfilm of equal notability as it this is in Russia, would this not be deleted? —Centrx→talk &bull; 00:16, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
 * It's not a fanfilm, it's a mocking translation/total conversion. Perhaps you can decribe what do you want those reliable sourced to mention? That Goblin himself has become fairly famous thanks to these movies in Russia? --Illythr 00:42, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Fancy meeting you here. Centrx, please stop reading my contributions and following me around everywhere. Philwelch 08:22, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Please define "reliable sources", and then I can try to find those. Do you want the online store where you can buy it? The official website? An article reviewing the translation? Chronolegion 13:08, 4 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep - see comments Illythr and others.--Leon II 16:47, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep - it's exist. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 213.232.95.151 (talk) 19:24, 4 January 2007 (UTC).
 * Delete fancruft Artw 00:54, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Speedy Keep - An entry from Star Wars: Storm in the Glass appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know? column on 30 December 2006 -- Jreferee 02:04, 5 January 2007 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.