Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Star Wars fandom


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Spartaz Humbug! 22:28, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Star Wars fandom

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Before I edited this article, it was clear it existed for no other reason than for Star Wars fans to congregate and defend their toxic actions as of late. I did my best to edit this article to meet Wikipedia's standards, but at the end of the day, this article shouldn't even exist to begin with; we already have Cultural impact of Star Wars. MarcoPolo250 (talk) 03:27, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
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 * Merge to Cultural impact of Star Wars, Merge discussion is apparently open, but there is no section for it at the Cultural impact of Star Wars' talk page. The couple of sentences about review bombing can be merged easily to the target, while the rest is just an inferior duplication of the content there. Devonian Wombat (talk) 05:31, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge into Cultural impact of Star Wars as per Devonian Wombat, we can totally fit most of the information out. If you're feeling rather harsh, maybe Redirect. dibbydib (T ･ C) 06:22, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge for sure. UpdateNerd (talk) 06:37, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep The problem seems to be editors bickering about the content but merger isn't going to fix that problem. It might make it worse because the "cultural impact" title is looser and vaguer than "fandom" and the scope is less clear.  It is best to follow the sources and there are plenty of substantial sources which are focussed on the fandom, including:
 * Fan Phenomena: Star Wars
 * Star Wars Generations: A Celebration of Fandom
 * The Star Wars Fandom
 * Using the Force: Creativity, Community and Star Wars Fans
 * Fan Cultures
 * Canonicity and Authority in Star Wars Fandom
 * Disney, Lucasfilm and Star Wars online fandom in the 21st Century
 * Why there's still hope for the Star Wars fandom yet
 * Andrew🐉(talk) 10:55, 29 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep per Andrew's sources above. "Cultural impact" is a broad umbrella, and this franchise's fandom can easily have a standalone article. This article needs to be expanded not to be so recent, though. Erik (talk &#124; contrib) (ping me) 11:29, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
 * KEEP Category:Star Wars fandom exist. There are hundreds if not thousands of articles classified in one of the many fandom categories.  Starts at Category:Fandom and expands from there.  Category:Cultural impact articles exist also but isn't nearly as common.  Information about the fandom, fan things like some of those in the relevant category, belong here, and cultural impact things like how it influenced film making, etc, should be in the other article.   D r e a m Focus  13:01, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete. Sure, in theory one could write an article about Star Wars fandom that wasn't just a list of favorite memes and anti-fan grievances, or one that degenerates back to that after a few years of neglect, but I'm doubtful that's going to happen. Star Wars isn't some WP:RECENT fad whose notability remains to be seen... if it was going to attract serious editors interested in developing a worthwhile article about the fandom around it, that would've happened by now. There are hypothetically worthwhile things that WP just isn't going to do. -Jason A. Quest (talk) 13:38, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge fandom is part of the cultural impact and this can be covered well there. Reywas92Talk 18:47, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment: In addition to what listed above, here are additional reliable sources that have direct (even more than significant) coverage about Star Wars fandom:
 * Finding the force of the Star wars franchise : fans, merchandise, & critics, especially chapter "'I am a Jedi' : Star wars fandom, religious belief, and the 2001 census
 * Star Wars and the history of transmedia storytelling, "Star Wars has reached more than three generations of casual and hardcore fans alike, and as a result many of the producers of franchised Star Wars texts (films, television, comics, novels, games, and more) over the past four decades have been fans-turned-creators... The collection places Star Wars at the center of those studies' projects by examining video games, novels and novelizations, comics, advertising practices, television shows, franchising models, aesthetic and economic decisions, fandom and cultural responses, and other aspects of Star Wars and its world-building in their multiple contexts of production, distribution, and reception... By taking this dual approach, the book focuses on the interconnected nature of corporate production, fan consumption, and transmedia world-building."
 * The ultimate Star Wars and philosophy : you must unlearn what you have learned, chapter "Episode VII : the fandom awakens"
 * The power of the force : the spirituality of the Star wars films, chapter "The Phantom menace and fandom mania"
 * Cult collectors : nostalgia, fandom and collecting popular culture, chapter "Playing with the force: fan identity, cultural capital and Star Wars toy collecting"
 * Handbook of research on the impact of fandom in society and consumerism, chapter "Sci-fi fandoms in the digital age: star trek, star wars, and doctor who fandoms and social media"
 * Disney's Star Wars : forces of production, promotion, and reception, chapters "Selling The Force Awakens: fan labor and brand management", "From Star Tours to Galaxy's Edge: immersion, transmediality and 'haptic fandom' in Disney's theme parks", "Rey, Mary Sue, and Phasma too: feminism and fan responses to The force awakens merchandise", "Jafar Wars: fan created paratexts in Alderaan places", "'You die! you know that, right? you don't come back!': fans negotiating Disney's (de)stabilised Star Wars canon"
 * Fan culture : theory/practice, chapter 'Distressing damsels:' Narrative critique and reinterpretation in Star Wars fanfiction"
 * I find your lack of faith disturbing : Star Wars and the triumph of geek culture, "...beginning and ending with surprising new readings of Star Wars, the big bang of contemporary fandom."
 * A galaxy here and now : historical and cultural readings of Star Wars, chapter "Part of our cultural history : fan-creator relationships, restoration and appropriation"
 * "Lord of the Rings, Star Wars, and participatory fandom: mapping new congruencies between the internet and media entertainment culture"
 * "Whose Film Is It, Anyway? Canonicity and Authority in Star Wars Fandom"
 * Movie Blockbusters, chapter "Star Wars in Fandom, Film Theory, and the Museum"
 * Media and Cultural Studies, numerous pages, including this quote: "Star Wars has also been the focal point of an enormous quantity of grassroots media production, becoming the very embodiment of the new participatory culture."
 * Star Wars, Disney, and the Fandom Menace (article)
 * Star Wars - The Fandom Editors (article)
 * How Female Fans Made ‘Star Wars’ Their Own (article)
 * ‘Star Wars’ Doesn’t Belong to George Lucas. It Belongs to the Fans. (article)
 * Thanks, Erik (talk &#124; contrib) (ping me) 22:59, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sulfurboy (talk) 05:12, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Redirect I see a valid search term, but I really don't see how a merge helps. Govvy (talk) 13:06, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep - Needs a lot of work, but the sources found in this AFD discussion are enough to demonstrate this topic is notable. Hog Farm (talk) 15:43, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep This does seem like a tricky one. I see the argument for merge/redirect to the cultural impact page and nearly voted in that direction. As a Trekkie personally, I feel like there *should* be an analogous term for Star Wars fans, though there doesn't seem to be such a term as ubiquitous as "Trekkie". As I understand it, there are many more fans of Star Wars than Star Trek, and thus if the SW fandom isn't notable, then how could Trekkie be notable? Stepping back from my personal "well surely Trekkies are notable" bias, I see a decent number of articles about other fandoms, and they are an example of, but distinct from, cultural impacts. I'm in favor of keeping, if the community can work towards expanding and cleaning up, using Trekkie and other existing fandom articles as a guidepost or goal. Paradox  society  07:29, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Keeep. Per sources given above, the question is whether the topic (Star Wars fandom) passes WP:GNG. Given the multiplicity of reliable, independent sources given above, this is an unambiguous pass. Also per above, as the cultural impact of Star Wars is a broader topic than just the fandom, merging would be insufficient. Rollidan (talk) 18:07, 14 May 2020 (UTC)


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