Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Star Wars live-action TV series


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus.  MBisanz  talk 00:07, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Star Wars live-action TV series

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This proposed television series was announced in 2005. It has not entered production or preproduction, and now with Lucasfilm's Disney acquisition, this article is full of pure speculation and sadly should be deleted per WP:CRYSTAL. The article itself says that the project will take "three or four years" to progress, and thus this article should not exist prior to a verified confirmation of the start of actual production. Rumors and discussed plans in interviews are not enough to merit notability. -- Wikipedical (talk) 18:45, 9 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep The prequel trilogy has had a similar page for a long time, despite frequent denials and reversals. Subjects of speculation are still subjects of interest and an article which keeps pace and summarizes the status-quo is a benefit to the community. This article passes that test, condensing outdated information and updating rapidly. --rrzzrr (talk) 22:20, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
 * See Articles for deletion/Star Wars Episode VII (2nd nomination). Episode VII is far more notable than this 7-year old TV idea but was still redirected because it was merely announced.  You haven't shown why this article does not fail WP:CRYSTAL.  --  Wikipedical (talk) 23:15, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Re: Crystal - this article is not based on rumor or speculation but first-hand, verifiable sources. Unlike the sequel trilogy, which has been denied time and time again, senior sources at Lucasfilm (Lucas and McCallum) have steadfastly confirmed the existence of the project, have made concrete statements about the production and existence of material (scripts and concept art), outlined the production and gone into detail about its state and timeframe. Furthermore, the article is kept up to date, reflecting the latest verifiable information and aggressively deprecating outdated or vague information. Finally, the article reflects a subject of |Television+Series|Show&oq=%22Star+Wars%22+%22Live-Action%22+%22TV|Television+Series|Show&gs_l=news-cc.4..43j43i400.169916.222903.0.224103.93.21.9.63.0.0.191.2254.9j12.21.0...0.0...1ac.1.DlC0pm_3wvY#q=%22Star+Wars+Live-Action+TV|Television+Series|Show%22&hl=en&safe=images&tbo=d&gl=us&tbas=0&ei=-aKdUJKzA-G00QWfl4Ao&start=10&sa=N&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.&fp=ef5fe23e941be2ce&bpcl=38093640&biw=1280&bih=675 considerable interest.rrzzrr (talk) 00:47, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
 * The fact that both Lucas and McCallum will no longer be integral at Lucasfilm because of its acquisition by Disney make many of their past statements irrelevant to the show's future production. They no longer control the project, and there is no evidence that Disney will pursue it.  And even if they do, like the Episode VII article, this page can wait until production begins.  --  Wikipedical (talk) 04:18, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Disney acquired everything Star Wars, including all material produced for the envisioned live-action series with its 50 scripts and concept art. Untill Disney makes a statement about the project, everything is speculation. Including notions about its demise. rrzzrr (talk) 04:43, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
 * You've made an excellent point, which is exactly why I've listed this article for deletion. Wikipedia specifically forbids pure speculation through its policy WP:CRYSTAL.  Until Disney puts this show into production, all speculation is entirely rumors and original research.  Also to your last point, it is an editor's responsibility to verify that something is notable and will exist with certainty, not the opposite.  --  Wikipedical (talk) 04:55, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Your argument is circular. The fact is that the subject of an article exists in an interim of uncertainty. I think deletion might be justifiable if it is officially abbandoned. You think the uncertainty itself is reason. We will not agree. Keep. --rrzzrr (talk) 05:01, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
 * The first sentence of WP:CRYSTAL is: "Wikipedia is not a collection of unverifiable speculation." Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope is fully verifiable because it is a completed project.  Star Trek into Darkness is suitable for an encyclopedia because it has entered production.  This article is about a possible television series that has been up in the air for 7 years.  Uncertainty is absolutely grounds for deletion under Wikipedia policy.  --  Wikipedical (talk) 05:08, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
 * See Star Wars prequel trilogy proposed deletions. Arguments apply. (Keep.) rrzzrr (talk) 23:42, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Great case study! Thank you for posting it. --Odie5533 (talk) 07:39, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep None of the issues user Wikipedical has mentioned appear to be grounds for deletion and should instead be taken up on the article's talk page. Even if the Disney acquisition results in the abandonment of this project, the project will still have been notable. Lucas has talked about the series on multiple occasions so it is clearly not just pure speculation. I do not believe this article falls under any of the criteria listed in WP:CRYSTAL. --Odie5533 (talk) 22:34, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
 * This TV show is an idea that has been spoken about since 2005 but has not been in preproduction or production. WP:CRYSTAL, which disallows speculation and things are uncertain to take place, is Wikipedia policy.  That policy is absolutely grounds for deletion.  --  Wikipedical (talk) 23:15, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
 * What specific part of the WP:CRYSTAL do you believe this article falls under? I have read it through myself and am unsure to which part of the guideline you are referring. --Odie5533 (talk) 02:39, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Some relevant sections are "Individual scheduled or expected future events should be included only if the event is notable and almost certain to take place" and "Wikipedia is not a collection of product announcements and rumors." I would also say that Disney's acquisition of Lucasfilm and George Lucas' and Rick McCallum's departures remove any certainty that this TV idea will come to fruition.  Like Episode VII, a page for this show can be recreated at a later point when production begins.  The same reason there is no "iPhone 6" article yet, even though it is a likely product.  --  Wikipedical (talk) 04:18, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
 * The events part of WP:CRYSTAL refers to elections and the olympics. I am not sure it is meant to cover the well-publicized production of a television series as well. Although some of the information released by otherwise reliable sources may ultimately end up being incorrect, I think the official statements released regarding the series can hardly be said to be speculation and rumor. --Odie5533 (talk) 01:33, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I would say that far-off elections and Olympics are most certainly mentioned as examples of WP:CRYSTAL violations, not the two sole ones. And further, the series has never made it to pre-production or anywhere close to casting or test footage, unlike Star Trek: Phase II.  --  Wikipedical (talk) 04:16, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions.  --  Wikipedical (talk) 05:15, 10 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete - 7 years have passed and no progress made on these programmes - either its vapourware, or fails WP:CRYSTAL as previously stated. Lukeno94 (talk) 11:34, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Science fiction-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 14:56, 10 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete Clear case of WP:CRYSTAL. Maybe it can redirect to something else if someone can think of a good target. JDDJS (talk) 03:08, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep Even speculation when its about a major endeavor can be notable. This one is major enough. Discussion of something at might end up not happening is still capable of being encyclopedia-worthy. CRYSTAL is designed for those situations where there is nothing much to say, Here there's at least 9 or 10 good sources in publications not blogs, and not devoted entirely to Star Wars.  DGG ( talk ) 20:13, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep long and drawn-out speculation in reliable sources is still in-depth coverage in reliable sources. Stuartyeates (talk) 05:03, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.