Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Star Wreck Roleplaying Game (2nd nomination)


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The result was merge to Star Wreck. Liz Read! Talk! 16:40, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

Star Wreck Roleplaying Game
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This should have ended as merge in prior AfD (2010), given the votes (one Merge and Redirect, one Keep or Merge). Anyway, this fails WP:GNG, references are limited to publisher page and a passing mention (single sentence) in a column on games on a website of unclear reliability. BEFORE is not showing anything (although there's a tiny chance RS exist in Finnish - although there is no interwiki). The topic is currently mentioned as a see also in Star_Wreck, arguably it should have a sentence or two about in in the main body - but stand alone article does not seem warranted due to lack of notability. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 10:35, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Science fiction and fantasy, Games,  and Finland. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here  10:35, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Merge/Redirect to Star Wreck, with at most an one-sentence merged mention only. The current refs are clearly not enough to meet WP:GNG. The first ref is an iffy website, with unclear about us/editorial policies. Plus, it's a non-significant mention. The second ref is also clearly non-indepedent/non-RS. I've also searched the Finnish Lautapeliopas, which we say is RS on the BTG Sources section, with no results. It only appears otherwise on RPG Geek, a subsidary of BGG. Otherwise, none of the sources meet GNG at all. It's possible to merge, but considering that none of the refs seem to be clear and cut RS, and the only debatable one cover the subject very trivially, this current one in discussion is filled with WP:OR, so at most only a one sentence mention is needed IMO (not that different to redirecting). Update: one maybe RS below here makes me change my mind and support selectively merging this, and perhaps some of the other possibly RS below they're trivial and non SIGCOV, but could still be used for the merge. Right now, the there's only one ref counting towards WP:GNG, but there's some RS to support a merge (I guess Pelit is RS with WP article), so I might support that then redirecting. Many thanks! VickKiang (talk) 09:32, 1 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Merge/redirect per VickKiang. Andrevan @ 07:18, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Merge/redirect to Star Wreck. I did find a few Finnish sources, but only one of these is of any meaningful length:
 * News story by Pelit magazine:
 * Tiny single-paragraph press release looking news story from Yle:
 * Short news story about an award in Turun Sanomat:
 * Not convinced that sufficient coverage for WP:GNG exists based on my (admittedly quick) search. -Ljleppan (talk) 08:33, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * @Ljleppan Thanks, that should at least allow us to add some refs to the mention in the main article after merge (rather than referencing the publisher's website...). Btw, the award the game got was "Out of the Box or Outie awards" (Out of the Box eli Outie-palkinnot) according to google translate, but I can't find out much about it. It's not the The Outies. I can't find anything about this award in English (I tried on BGG too, which lists many regional board game awards...)? Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 09:15, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Google doesn't appear to be of help here, but another Wikipedia article led me to this archived page: . Our article on the author, Kenneth Hite, says He also wrote the "Out of the Box" column, initially for the GamingReport, and later for IndiePressRevolution.. So I think this "award" is nothing widely recognized. All that said, I'm rather far from my domain of expertise here. Ljleppan (talk) 10:27, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, for now unless anyone finds something better can conclude that this game received some very minor award that doesn't help to establish the notability. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 10:55, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Comr Melody Idoghor  (talk)  16:29, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Merge with thanks to @Ljleppan for finding some sources! Hobit (talk) 12:48, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Merge to Star Wreck - I agree with all of the above votes - the game does not have the sources to support an independent article, but does have enough that discussing it on the main page of the franchise it was based on would be appropriate. Rorshacma (talk) 15:21, 8 August 2022 (UTC)


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