Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Starckdeutsch (2nd nomination)


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The result was   no consensus. King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 01:35, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Starckdeutsch
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made-up language, probably not of enough note for inclusion. Aervanath lives in the Orphanage 21:29, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Not very notable. How does one verify this 5 year old article whose "language originated as a pub joke in 1972." Artene50 (talk) 21:50, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete unless verifiable sources provided for the language. This is hard because naturally, most of the 400 Google hits are in German. I've seen a couple of hits referring to author's "Gedichte"-- poems. This feels like a vehicle to promote his poetry. In fact I find one hit that is for a music CD. I see other hits that are more about selling CD's than writing about the language. The article on the German Wikipedia has more detail, but not better sourcing. Google Scholar gives six hits, not inspiring, but not English either. Per the article, this is a made up language used by it's creator and a few others to publish innovative poetry. Dloh  cierekim  22:37, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Switch to Keep as notable and reliably sourced I had asked User:Dorftrottel to translate the German Google hits as my German was 30 years ago and he is pretty good at it. His reply allays any concerns I had. It is mentioned in four books by linguists. Cheers,  Dloh  cierekim  06:25, 8 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep. Obviously, the man himself is notable enough. The language, by proxy and because it's been published, as well. If the whole thing started as a pub joke, that's fine, but IMO doesn't undermine notability in any way. And, if something is notable in Germany, it is also notable for wp.en: after all, the fact that this WP is in English doesn't mean it's merely there to serve Anglosaxon speaking countries. Besides, there's another thing: the German wikipedia is extremely severe when it comes to notability (even Quenya was not good enough for having its own article!). I know that doesn't prove anything, but it means at least something. &mdash;IJzeren Jan Uszkiełtu?  00:08, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Language-related deletion discussions.   -- the wub  "?!"  14:29, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete, at best a nonnotable conlang, at worst a poor joke. —Angr 14:40, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Poor joke or not, it is notable enough to have been mentioned by several high-profile German linguists. dorftrottel (talk) 19:54, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Mentioned in passing, perhaps, but in the sources cited I see no evidence of it being discussed by them in any detail. Still not notable enough for an encyclopedia. —Angr 20:32, 8 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete still I do not find this constructed language to be particularly notable in the context of Wikipedia. JBsupreme (talk) 14:44, 8 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, King of  &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 04:41, 12 June 2008 (UTC)


 * (At least weak) keep Being German, I admit to never have heard of this language. Still, de-wiki has an article about it, and another article about a seemingly notable musical group who are claimed to be known for their starckdeutsch songs. I don't know the group, and I am not a linguist, but this is at least some claim of notability. – sgeureka t•c 07:22, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * CommentThe references added since the nomination show that the article is verifiable, at least. However, I still don't believe that just being mentioned in a book makes you notable.  I don't understand German, but I can tell that those references are not stalking about it in the depth necessary to call this notable.--Aervanath lives in the Orphanage 18:53, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete An article on Koeppel would be okay. "Starckdeutsch" however is just the title of a book of poems. It is not a technical term, let alone a literary genre. The German Wikipedia has been duped here (go and search the web for 'Lew Bronsteingussi'). --Konstock (talk) 08:59, 14 June 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.