Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Stargate vs. Doctor Who Guinness controversy


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was delete. There's very little NPOV or sourced enough to merge, and no consensus on where to merge it to in any case, but there is a pretty clear consensus that we shouldn't have this article. If anyone needs a temporary userfied copy to assist in putting something about this in an existing article, let me know. Seraphimblade Talk to me 03:26, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Stargate vs. Doctor Who Guinness controversy

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I'm as big a Doctor Who fan as the next man, but this whole "controversy" was nothing more than a tedious points-scoring exercise between science-fiction fans on message boards, and is desperately, desperately unnotable. Perhaps, perhaps, it could be a note somewhere on a Stargate or a Doctor Who page, but that's at the very most. I can't see how it merits its own page here. Angmering 11:34, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete There is indeed a note on the Stargate SG-1 article on this very controversy.  That's probably sufficient for Wikipedia, and the notability of this controversy is questionable at best.  -- GJD 13:02, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge to Guinness World Records as per Helm, below. -- GJD 13:37, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. It's not terribly encyclopedic as is, and the way it is written is POV pushing - the article seems to support one side of the controversy over the other.  It's a minor point of debate between fans - and being an avid fan of both Doctor Who and Stargate SG-1 I've heard it from both sides.  Anyway, as pointed out above, this blurb is mentioned elsewhere but is not notable on its own merits, and both of the "sources" are primary - they come from the broadcasters of each series, respectively.  A r k y a n  &#149; (talk) 16:05, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Weak delete or merge — The dispute was covered by BBC News and The Guardian, which could be used to support a notability claim; however, it's probably still not encyclopedic enough. The content could be incorporated into a re-structuring of Lengths of science fiction film and television series which I've recently proposed. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 16:55, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep. It has sources and is adequately written.  --Darth Borehd 01:00, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. Trivial non-controversy.  The current mention in Stargate SG-1 and a minor update to Doctor Who are more than sufficient. &mdash;Cryptic 01:18, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. Notable enough info for a mention on one of the Stargate or Doctor Who pages (or Lengths of science fiction film and television series), but not for its own page. --Brian Olsen 03:35, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge to Lengths of science fiction film and television series. -Sean Curtin 03:59, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge per Josiah Rowe and Sean Curtin. I would note that it's not just a message-board thing; in fact, given the bbc coverage, it only fails WP:N on the independence criterion.  Having reread this page and seen the guardian ref, it's only one reference away from passing WP:N. Percy Snoodle 09:52, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I find it "interesting" that this AfD coms scant days after the page was [prod]ded, and improved to, as it were, 'beat' the prod. It would appear, therefore that the page doesn't meet one of the "other" criteria on Wiki~: namely, it lacks a sufficently high-powered sponsor, and therefore will be shot unmourned by those who "matter".  This is a documented instance of the Guinness Records getting something arguably wrong-ish, and I suggest now, as I did on the prod, that the article should at leastr emain until the next edition of Guinness, to allow an independent documented argument.  -- Simon Cursitor 17:24, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
 * delete doesn't have enough infoGman124 22:30, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * merge to Guinness World Records and Lengths of science fiction film and television series. --Helm.ers 20:05, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment I can support that; it makes sense to put this in a section on Guiness's reliability. Will update my opinion above to reflect that.  -- GJD 13:37, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
 * It has now been noted on the Guiness page under Reliability Questions--Helm.ers 16:19, 12 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Weak delete per nom and ors Thewinchester (talk) 05:24, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge as per Helm --GracieLizzie 10:52, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete as separate article. Controversy already noted at Stargate SG-1; it can be further discussed in the article Josiah Rowe proposes. --- LeflymanTalk 22:05, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.