Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Stark Raving Mad (1983 film)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. The latter part of the deletion discussion consist of the finding of sources to satisfy notability, none of which have been rebutted by those supporting deletion. –MuZemike 21:43, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Stark Raving Mad (1983 film)

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I found zero significant coverage for this film. No one that is involved in the film has an article. SL93 (talk) 23:17, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment - I have a feeling it was a straight-to-VHS release, or maybe even a TV film. I certainly remember watching it about 20 years ago. No sources though so I won't lose any sleep if it goes. Paul MacDermott (talk) 23:36, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete. IMDb is the only one who seems to have noticed, so it fails WP:NF. Clarityfiend (talk) 00:51, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment: Contemporary sources show it does exist. Screen World, 1984, Motion Picture Guide, 1985.  See also  (minor mention only).  The movie poster is on ebay multiple times, see, e.g., . I am wondering whether its really a 1983 release originally, though, because Murder Run seems to date from 1976..--Milowent • hasspoken  03:22, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. IMDB notices everything - we need at (very) least one more external source for notability. --Legis (talk - contribs) 08:39, 14 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions.  — Frankie (talk) 16:47, 14 December 2011 (UTC)


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 * Comment That actor George Hood and director Russ Fast do not have articles simply means they do not YET have articles and that Wikipedia is not complete. And because IMDB is itself incomplete or inaccurate, its weakness is not a valid reason upon which to base a delete. User:Milowent gave a decent clue based upon his own research, showing that this film has a production and theatrical history that predates the 1983 video re-release by at least 5 years.  Looking further, this pre-internet, pre-IMDB film was released under different names and has sourcability under those earlier names... rather than only under a 1986 video release title.  It has been released as Murder Run in Australia and Belgium, as Execution in Canada, and as Rock Baby in West Germany. A quick look under its working title of Rockaday Richie and the Queen of the Hop finds Seattle Times telling us it was produced in Portland, The Oregonian giving us some production details, we have Hollywood Theater telling us it "the first locally produced feature film to get international, theatrical distribution," and The Oregonian sharing that the film was "financed by the late Macheezmo Mouse founder Tiger Warren during his '70s filmmaking period." And what's with this 2002 writeup of Rockaday Richie and the Queen of the Hop from the University of Mississippi? Not quite a film noticed only by IMDB... and the delete arguments above seem based upon those deficits of IMDB... a source long-declared as unreliable. Ouch.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 22:24, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
 * It is true that Wikipedia is not complete, but I added it because it might point to non-notability after having so many articles, not that it shows non-notability. What I thought showed non-notability is WP:NF not being met. I was not aware of any other titles and I never mentioned IMDB. SL93 (talk) 22:28, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
 * You were not one who referred to IMDB. :)  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 01:52, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I missed the release section in the article. Well, I was dumb in this case. SL93 (talk) 22:28, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
 * And even that section did not adress its sourcable working title of Rockaday Richie and the Queen of the Hop. It was User:Milowent who got me digging when he discovered the 1976 theatrical release title, and that got me digging further. It is admitedly a headache when video release for any one film uses so many different titles. Makes our work here that much more difficult. So no harm, no foul.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 01:52, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep for now based on MQS's additional findings, no need to be hasty based on what seems a likely good case for notability. I have also found Don Gronquist on facebook and sent him a message looking for more details.--Milowent • hasspoken  04:49, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep now there are sources to suggest it is more notable than at first thought. I was aware of the Execution and Murder Run titles, but not the Rockaday Richie one. I didn't find a lot by way of references when I created this, but as Wikipedia is a work in progress I hoped someone more familiar with the subject may be able to expand it. In truth it would probably be difficult to find sources for a lot of pre-Internet age films unless they happened to be particularly notable. My own knowledge of this film comes from watching it one weekend in 1988, an event I noted in my diary at the time. Paul MacDermott (talk) 15:15, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
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