Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Stars Align (R3hab and Jolin Tsai song)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Most participants deem the sourcing sufficient. While some of them may be based on press releases, there are others that provide analysis of the song and music as well. Since there is sufficient merit behind the rough consensus for keeping, that consensus will be respected here. Sjakkalle (Check!)  08:49, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

Stars Align (R3hab and Jolin Tsai song)

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DePRODed by article creator, so here we are. Claimed in edit summary that this record has a chart place but that's not in the stub, and I can't find it. Meanwhile, it's all sourced to Yahoo, a website and a passing news mention of the upcoming single. Fails WP:GNG; WP:NALBUM. Alexandermcnabb (talk) 14:21, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. Alexandermcnabb (talk) 14:21, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Taiwan-related deletion discussions. Alexandermcnabb (talk) 14:21, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Netherlands-related deletion discussions. Alexandermcnabb (talk) 14:21, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (TALK&#124;CONTRIBS) 15:05, 10 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete - There is no good place for a redirect because the song is not from an album and it is a collaboration between two musicians. The song got some media introductions due to its association with the video game but they are not significant, and I also can find no evidence of chart placement. That last item might be available in Taiwanese or Chinese language sources that we have been unable to find so far; anyone with the necessary skills is welcome to chime in. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (TALK&#124;CONTRIBS) 15:10, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep, this article was proposed for deletion just over an hour after it was created. Per WP:BEFORE section C, I think this article ought to be kept for a bit longer in case the creator or other editors can improve it. How do we encourage editors to contribute if we try to get their work deleted less than an hour after creation? It's not very inviting. NemesisAT (talk) 15:40, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
 * WP:BEFORE section C assumes the article can be improved, and the nomination for deletion is based on the different matter of notability at WP:NSONG. If this song really did receive significant news coverage and made the charts in Taiwan, then that evidence is needed regardless of when the article was created. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (TALK&#124;CONTRIBS) 15:44, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
 * A quick look at the sources and there's both English and Chinese coverage, from Taiwan News, Yahoo, and a newspaper. So it appears there is already significant coverage. Plus I stand by my comment there should be more time given to allow notability to be established before a deletion nomination. NemesisAT (talk) 15:51, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
 * An article published to mainspace is subject to review by new page patrol. There's no agreed timescale for this - if it's in mainspace, it's presumed to be a mainspace-ready article. There are tags an editor can use to flag that an article is still under construction. As doomsdayer520 points out above, the issue is notability, not article construction. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 08:27, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
 * The compromise here might to to WP:DRAFTIFY it then. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 17:01, 11 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment: the top-charts website has come up for discussion before, but there weren't many contributors. I wasn't convinced that it should be a chart website that Wikipedia should be using. Richard3120 (talk) 18:00, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep: It has been covered in a dedicated article by at least one national newspaper, and mentioned by two other newspapers. Sources for chart listings have since been added to the article. Hence all the main criteria for WP:NSONG are met. (I am the article creator) Pieceofmetalwork (talk) 19:51, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
 * For information, I don't think any of those charts are valid – iTunes definitely fails WP:SINGLEVENDOR, and I think QQ Music does as well. I'm not sure about the China New Music Daily. Richard3120 (talk) 20:00, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete If any references in chinese or similar become more avilable, taking into considration it was released for a very well known video game, I might change my vote. Those charts in Itunes are not good. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 15:47, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, gidonb (talk) 00:54, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep Meets WP:NSONG per above argument. SBKSPP (talk) 01:18, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. <li></li> <li></li> <li></li> <li></li> <li></li> <li></li> <li></li> <li></li> <li></li> </ol>There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Stars Align to pass Notability, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Cunard (talk) 10:29, 20 June 2021 (UTC) </li></ul>

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 * Keep. The sources by show sufficient significant coverage to keep the article at this time.  We may end up reviewing the coverage again sometime down the road, but there is no deadline. Mojo Hand (talk) 14:21, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment The Chinese language sources above are press release generated non-significant coverage. The.single.did.not.chart. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 15:36, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment: The Vogue article is titled "It's like a costume show! Explaining all the lines of Jolin's new song "Stars Align"". From Google Translate: "Jolin and R3HAB worked together to create a brand new electronic music English single 'Stars Align'. The song is based on electronic dance music as the overall framework, while adding R3HAB's expertise in electronic rhythm, making the whole song full of dynamic and layered, with Jolin extremely The distinctive words and unique voice lines are perfectly integrated into the dance style, and the lyrics repeatedly sing 'Make the stars align', suggesting that an important moment is coming." This is analysis of the song. It is not trivial coverage or press release material. Cunard (talk) 23:32, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

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 * Keep: Article needs a little expansion. Other than that, it's good enough to pass WP:NSONG, especially with reliable sources indicated by Cunard. ASTIG😎  (ICE T • ICE CUBE) 15:00, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment Just to repeat my above comment - The Chinese language sources above are press release generated non-significant coverage. The.single.did.not.chart. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 15:54, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Just to be clear - to quote WP:NSONG - "Songs and singles are probably notable if they have been the subject of multiple, non-trivial published works whose sources are independent of the artist and label. This includes published works in all forms, such as newspaper articles, books, television documentaries or reviews. This excludes media reprints of press releases, or other publications where the artist, its record label, agent, or other self-interested parties advertise or speak about the work." - my italics. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 16:19, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I haven't analysed the Chinese sources above, but the English ones already cited appear to be WP:SIGCOV, and their content varies so they aren't just a reposting of a press release. There is ample coverage to satisfy WP:GNG, imo. NemesisAT (talk) 16:15, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
 * , not all notable songs made their way to any national chart. Therefore, it's no big deal if the song didn't chart. No. Big. Deal. At all. The song has received WP:SIGCOV, whether it's in English or Chinese or any other language, and that's what matters. And Cunard proved that the Chinese sources he indicated are not press releases, making your claims baseless. So, it's best if you drop the stick and accept that there's good enough coverage for the song to pass WP:NSONG than to waste your time arguing with any of the editors who voted to keep it. ASTIG😎  (ICE T • ICE CUBE) 11:50, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm quoting policy, not sure how that's 'arguing'. There's no stick in evidence here, either. Cunard, I note, proved no such thing - they presented sources. Having reviewed them, I asserted they are "media reprints of press releases, or other publications where the artist, its record label, agent, or other self-interested parties advertise or speak about the work." and made that point. Nobody has refuted that. It's not a stick, it's a point. And not, I hasten to assure you, a pointy point. But you also have a point and I am now done here. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 16:29, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep per NemesisAT and Cunard. Various reliable sources are available, albeit some in Chinese. Additionally, how is nominating an article for deletion shortly after creation helpful? If there were immediate issues with it, by all means, send it to draftspace or something; doing otherwise discourages article creation. Sean Stephens (talk) 00:45, 8 July 2021 (UTC)