Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Starstreet Precinct


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The result was no consensus.  Sandstein  20:11, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

Starstreet Precinct

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Swire is a repeat and long-term offender for COI promotional editing on Wikipedia, particularly with regard to their property holdings around Hong Kong (i.e. Cityplaza) as well as their group companies (like Swire Hotels).

The concept of the "Starstreet Precinct" was invented by the Swire company because they have a lot of property holdings in the area and wanted to elevate the value of the then-new Three Pacific Place tower by rebranding a "slummy" part of town into a stylish area. However, I do not think the moniker has come into common parlance. For average people it is simply a part of Wan Chai. Furthermore the article was created by a single-purpose account with conflict of interest and originally had a highly promotional tone with professional photos that also appear on official Swire websites.

This article is an advertisement for a "place" invented by a corporation in order to boost profits. What little substantive content there is can be easily incorporated into the Wan Chai article. Citobun (talk) 13:59, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment I don't feel either way for this article, but I am very interested in the claim that Swire might have been engaging in COI and possibly WP:paid editing, since a lot of Hong Kong (and mainland Chinese) articles look very suspicious. Mind sharing your findings? _dk (talk) 23:55, 27 July 2016 (UTC)


 * I have just noticed a lot of single-purpose accounts that serve ONLY to promote Swire ventures, including:


 * - refers to Taikoo Place
 * - refers to the Cityplaza shopping centre
 * - refers to Citygate in Tung Chung
 * - from job ads, I gather that "CSO" stands for "Central Support Office" at Swire Hotels, which handles marketing/social media
 * Not including IPs, or many accounts that focused only on Swire but were not blatantly promotional. Citobun (talk) 03:05, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Wow, was there any action against Swire by Wikipedia other than the isolated talk messages and blocks? _dk (talk) 21:48, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Not to my knowledge. Citobun (talk) 12:14, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Hong Kong-related deletion discussions. North America1000 04:11, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
 * - from job ads, I gather that "CSO" stands for "Central Support Office" at Swire Hotels, which handles marketing/social media
 * Not including IPs, or many accounts that focused only on Swire but were not blatantly promotional. Citobun (talk) 03:05, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Wow, was there any action against Swire by Wikipedia other than the isolated talk messages and blocks? _dk (talk) 21:48, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Not to my knowledge. Citobun (talk) 12:14, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Hong Kong-related deletion discussions. North America1000 04:11, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Not including IPs, or many accounts that focused only on Swire but were not blatantly promotional. Citobun (talk) 03:05, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Wow, was there any action against Swire by Wikipedia other than the isolated talk messages and blocks? _dk (talk) 21:48, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Not to my knowledge. Citobun (talk) 12:14, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Hong Kong-related deletion discussions. North America1000 04:11, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Not including IPs, or many accounts that focused only on Swire but were not blatantly promotional. Citobun (talk) 03:05, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Wow, was there any action against Swire by Wikipedia other than the isolated talk messages and blocks? _dk (talk) 21:48, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Not to my knowledge. Citobun (talk) 12:14, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Hong Kong-related deletion discussions. North America1000 04:11, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Not to my knowledge. Citobun (talk) 12:14, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Hong Kong-related deletion discussions. North America1000 04:11, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 00:46, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. North America1000 06:05, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — UY Scuti Talk  18:27, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep - A notable tourist attraction in Hong Kong. STSC (talk) 17:53, 11 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Can you demonstrate notability through in-depth coverage in a variety of reliable secondary sources? This is a really minimal listing and I would hazard a guess that companies can submit listings directly to the Hong Kong Tourism Board. Note to closing admin: I would take this drive-by "speedy keep" with a grain of salt. This user strongly dislikes me for reasons unrelated to this article. Citobun (talk) 14:03, 15 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Merge to Wan Chai, not notable enough to have its own article.&mdash; CycloneIsaac ( Talk ) 23:45, 12 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Selective Merge to Wan Chai. Not finding enough source coverage to qualify a standalone article. North America1000 01:17, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.  The article notes: "One of the most appealing shopping districts in the world right now is the assortment of steep yards and alleyways off Star Street in Wan Chai. The whole area – which now goes by the compound name Starstreet – is hemmed in on each side by the noise and chaos of the big city, but 100 yards in, it becomes tranquil and relatively traffic free. When I visited, there was a block party in full swing. It was the annual Starstreet Gourmet and Wine Walk, where – for HK$375 (£30) a ticket – I could bar hop for wine tastings and a sample of each local restaurant’s signature dish, and pick up a goodie bag in each participating boutique. Just across the road from the Monocle store (its very existence pointing to the fact that this is A Cool Area), two girls in bikinis performed burlesque in a giant coupe de champagne, while around the corner, a jazz trio played on the pavement; good times were being had by all. There are heavyweight designer fashion stores around Starstreet, but they’re of the insider kind (including off-beat casual Japanese brand Visvim, which takes inspiration from sources as diverse as the Finnish Sami tribes and Fun Boy Three and has its own store called F.I.L.). There are also charming one-off shops such as Odd One Out, which sells affordable art in the form of prints, cards and “upcycled” ceramics. Then, around the corner, there’s the Architectz’ Factory, an artfully chaotic jumble of Japanese radios from the 1940s, ancient cash registers, beautiful stationery, tomato fruit wine, tote bags and tea sets. I was particularly enamoured with the nearby Polab Instant Camera Workshop, which sells vintage Polaroid products as well as new camera bags by local label Zkin. I very nearly missed Polab, as it’s midway up a set of steps that look like they’re leading to an apartment block. Starstreet is an area that you need to wander, rather than rush around."  The article notes: "灣仔星街本是一個毫不起眼的舊區，但自太古廣場第三期落成後，招徠各具特色的家具店、藝廊、餐廳及酒吧等，令星街連同附近街道小巷一帶，搖身成為藝術文化及休閒Shopping新蒲點. 今日將帶你走遍小區內四大特色店，感受一下鬧市中的藝術色彩." From Google Translate: "Star Street, Wan Chai, this is a humble old district, but since the completion of the third phase of Pacific Place, attract distinctive furniture stores, art galleries, restaurants and bars, so that together with the nearby streets alleys Star Street area, shake body art and culture and become a new leisure Shopping Po point. Today will take you all over the district four specialty stores, downtown feel Artistic colors."</li> <li> The book notes: "星街、日街、月街,這幾條擁有美麗名字的街道,加上周邊的秀華坊、永豐街、進教圍和聖佛蘭士街,就組成了充滿文化質感的「星街小區」. 個性服飾店、懷舊雜貨店、藝廊、還有少不了的隱世咖啡店,星街小區沒有中環蘇豪區的濃厚商業味,每一家小店都帶著店主的獨特個性和品味,在這裡散步,每每讓人期待那轉角的驚喜." From Google Translate: "Star Street, Day Street, May Street, which has a beautiful name a few streets, plus the surrounding Sau Wa Fong, Yongfeng Street, into teaching and around St. Francis Street, on the composition of the full cultural texture of the 'Star Street district.' Personalized clothing stores, grocery nostalgic, art galleries, and ultimately, the hidden world cafe, Star Street district no strong commercial flavor in Central Soho, every owner of a small store all with unique personality and taste, walking here, often surprises people expect that corner."</li> <li> The book notes: "到了灣仔,這家星街的 MONOCLE 和倫敦的那家一樣,透露著謹慎的退讓感,不喧賓奪主,顧自內斂著. 我獨自尋思,緣何 MONOCLE 要把香港的店開在灣仔的星街—大約是因為星街在這幾年成為一個匯聚設計類店舖、有格調的設計師的新興地區,也因為在此的 agnès b.藝術畫廊長期展示藝術創作,帶動整條街開設歐洲風味的咖啡館、小型設計時裝店. 星街的藝術設計氛圍日益濃厚,吸引很多香港文化人士、藝術人士到此開設工作室. 同時,這條星街和日街的區域都非常小巧,不會成為一種勢眾的浮華地段. 我覺得星街和我覺得星街和日街能保持著這種清麗就好,能在灣仔拆建前行的當下,自我修煉,把喧囂和浮躁都抵擋到山下的新灣仔區域,守著自我的一點堅持和美好很是難得. 總有保留地給人心靈的撫慰和寧靜致遠的審美享受,亦是香港的可歸之處. 有靈魂、有想法的人一直都在聚合，讓這座城市不斷變法，給人更多期許." From Google Translate: "To Wan Chai, this Star Street and London's MONOCLE that homey, revealed a cautious sense of concessions, not overwhelming, with restrained Guzi. I wondered myself, Why should MONOCLE shop opened in Hong Kong Star Street Wan Chai - Star Street about because in the past few years has become a gathering design shop class, in style designers emerging regions, but also because this is agnès b Art galleries permanent display of art, led the whole street to open European-style cafes, small design boutiques. Star Street art design atmosphere of increasingly strong, attracting a lot of people in Hong Kong culture, art and opened this studio. At the same time, this Star Street and Day Street area is very small, it will not be flashy Lot A Modified Potential congregation. I think and I think Star Street Star Street and Day Street can be kept like this elegant, contemporary construction and demolition can move forward in Wan Chai, self-cultivation, the noisy and impetuous both resist to the foot of the new Wan Chai area, guarding themselves He insists that it is rare and beautiful. The total reserve gives spiritual comfort and quiet Zhiyuan aesthetic enjoyment, also in Hong Kong can be attributed to the Department. Has a soul, the idea of ​​people have been in the polymerization, so that the city continues to reform, giving more expectations."</li> <li> The book notes: "日月星街漫遊者的驚喜在香港小街漫步,要有著漫遊者(City Flâneur)的感覺,日月星街是不二之選. 街名來自香港首座建於1890年的灣仔發電廠,當時夜晚整個維港總是烏燈黑火,唯有灣仔這幾條街燈火通明,故此引用《三字經》「三光者,日月星. 」來命名附近街道. 此三條小街仍有低層唐樓建築,不少藝廊與設計小店、精品服飾與咖啡店都愛在此「落腳」. 每個街角轉彎處都有驚奇發現,令小區多了一份藝術氛圍,是文青喜愛遊蕩的街區,也遙遙跟鄰近的藝術中心與演藝學院相呼應." From Google Translate: "Sun Moon Star street roamers surprise in Hong Kong street stroll, to have a Rover (City Flâneur) feeling, Sun Moon Star Street is the best choice. From Hong Kong's first street built in 1890, Wan Chai, power plants, when the entire harbor at night is always black lamp black fire, only a few blocks in Wan Chai this brightly lit, so references to 'Three Character Classic', 'Sanko persons, sun and stars.' named after nearby streets. This street is still three low-rise tenement buildings, many art galleries and design shops, boutiques and cafes in love in this 'settled.' Each corner has a bend surprised to find, make a cell more artistic atmosphere, Wen Qing is like wandering the neighborhood, but also with the distant and near the center of the Academy of Arts echoes." From the Wikipedia article: "The Starstreet Precinct is a neighborhood in Wan Chai, Hong Kong, centred on Three Pacific Place and comprising mainly Star Street, Moon Street, Sun Street , and Wing Fung Street." The book discusses how the Star Street, the Moon Street, and the Sun Street were named.</li> <li> The article notes: "星街、日街與月街臨近灣仔太古廣場三期，並且為附近的豪宅名字提供了靈感，比如月豐閣（Moonful Court）、星域軒（Star Crest）和星輝苑（Starlight Court）. 但你可能會問，為什麼以天空為主題？ 三條街道的名字取自中國經典讀物《三字經》（Three-Character Classic）中的一句. 圖：Rachel Cheung ... 我們回到星街、日街和月街的問題上. 雖然公司在發電廠建設和運營上艱難前行，但還是決定為員工提供住宿，以此鼓舞士氣. 街道臨近發電廠，員工宿舍就建於此. 由於這裡是香港首個擁有電燈照明的地區，街道的名字取自中國經典讀物《三字經》中的一句： 三才者，天地人. 三光者，日月星." From Google Translate: "Star Street, May Street and Pacific Mall three months Street, Wan Chai, and provided the inspiration for the name of the mansion nearby, such as monthly Fung Court (Moonful Court), Star Crest (Star Crest) and Star Court (Starlight Court). But you might ask, why the sky is the theme? Three streets named after Chinese classic books 'Three Character Classic' (Three-Character Classic) in the sentence. Figure: Rachel Cheung ... We return to the Star Street, May Street, Day Street and problems. Although companies in the construction and operation of power plants difficult before the trip, but decided to provide accommodation for their employees, in order to boost morale. Streets near the power plant, staff quarters was built here. Because here is Hong Kong's first electric lighting in the area has a street named after Chinese classic books 'Three Character Classic' in the sentence: Those three powers, the world of people. Sanko's, Sun Moon Star." </li> <li> The article notes: "灣仔日、月、星街小區「型」起來了，也招徠了很多想型的人去逛，做設計的朋友亦會久不久到此走一走，吸取區內外那堆歐美日經典品牌店的靈氣. 型格小區原本只是幾幢唐樓，再早至大約1900年的時候，香港開埠以來第一座發電廠在該址興建，而那麼美的街名則取自古文中「三才天地人，三光日月星」，喻意電力帶來光明. 目前小區除指三條街外，還泛指周邊的地方，而得以的翻身轉「型」，除旁邊太古廣場第三期帶動和資助推廣之外，也全賴Monocle、Kapok等特式小店所賜." From Google Translate: "Wanchai day, month, Star Street district 'type' up, but also attract a lot of people who want to visit this type, designed to do this friend will soon long walk, to learn inside and outside the area of ​​the pile of Western and Japanese classic stores Aura. Stylish cell had just blocks of tenement buildings, then as early as about 1900, when Hong Kong history since the first power plant built on the site, and then the street name is taken from classical beauty in 'Heaven, Earth, with God, Sanko day on Star ', symbolizing the power to bring light. In addition to the current cell refers to three blocks, but also refers to the surrounding areas, and to turn over turn 'type', in addition to Pacific Place, next to the third period led to the promotion and funding, also attributed Monocle, Kapok and other specialties of the shop thanks."</li> </ol>There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Starstreet Precinct to pass Notability, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Cunard (talk) 01:33, 21 August 2016 (UTC) </li></ul>
 * Delete and Redirect as the listed coverage above is still at best PR-like, nothing containing the actual depth, and by this I mean nothing that is hinting at PR; thus, it's not convincing by itself as an article. SwisterTwister   talk  03:46, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
 * The article from The Independent is not "PR-like"—it is a review. The Chinese-language books that discuss Starstreet are not PR either. They neutrally discuss the subject. Cunard (talk) 06:07, 24 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep Cunard has demonstrated that there's enough coverage per GEOLAND and its requirement for neighbourhoods. It appears to be a notable district in a major urban area. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 16:20, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
 * The old street names, i. e. "Star Street", are being conflated here with the modern "Starstreet", which is an invention of the Swire development company. Citobun (talk) 17:02, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Oh yes I see. Thanks. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 17:51, 24 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete While Starsteet Precinct may yet evolve into a notable commercial development it isn't there yet. For now the coverage seems to be fairly minor Swire-related PR. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 18:10, 24 August 2016 (UTC)


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