Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/State Highway 12 (Madhya Pradesh)


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The result was keep. ✗ plicit  14:52, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

State Highway 12 (Madhya Pradesh)

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Zero reliable sources to support the information in the article. Was draftified in an attempt to get the article approved, but an admin continues to re-add uncited information in violation of WP:BURDEN. While this does have a map, that is its sole reference. However, the map does not support any of the information in the stub. The article is about a state highway. The map's legend shows that dark green and light green are the colors for state highways (state highway and new declared state highway, respectively). The first issue arises that there are at no roads on the map in light or dark green which are numbered 12. There is a road numbered 12, in a different color green (sort of yellow-green) which is not explained in the legend. But that road, is not identified as a state road. And it does not run along the route described. In addition, the map does not include districts, and neither does it have the information needed to either confirm the length or have a distance measurement. This has been repeated in at least 2 other of these stubs. It would be easier, and more in-line with WP policy to simply redirect these articles to a list article, but that has been objected to.  Onel 5969  TT me 14:40, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Transportation and Madhya Pradesh. Shellwood (talk) 14:56, 1 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep The nominator admits that this is a state highway, and WP:GEOROAD clearly says that state highways are typically notable., WP:BEFORE and WP:NEXIST suggest that you should check for sources before making this nomination. I assume you have done so? --Rschen7754 17:26, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Actually, I do not agree that it is a state road. In fact I state explicitly above that there does not appear to be any state road with that number on the map, according to its legend.  And I suggest you read WP:VERIFY, WP:BURDEN, and #2 in WP:DISRUPTSIGNS.  Onel 5969  TT me 17:31, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Cool, more attempts at intimidation. The government document http://mprdc.gov.in/2017-09-15-498.pdf linked off List of state highways in Madhya Pradesh easily validates much of this information. I will see what else I can find, but this is basically a WP:RUSHDELETE to subvert GEOROAD and NEXIST. --Rschen7754 17:59, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Actually, it doesn't. The only thing it might verify, if this is the same road, is the length.  The route and districts are totally different.  Would be nice if this work was put in before it had to be taken to AfD.  Onel 5969  TT me 19:22, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
 * It is on page 9 of the PDF. The number is under the second column, not the first. And as far as the colors, lime-green is actually a "new declared state highway", which makes sense given that the other government document declares all new numbers as of 2017 for the state highways of Madhya Pradesh. --Rschen7754 19:35, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Don't disagree with the color comment above, which supports my comments in the nomination. That doesn't explain the 3rd color of green.  Onel 5969  TT me 21:44, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I only see two colors of green on the entire map, though given I have reason to doubt that this map is up to date as far as the other two highways nominated. --Rschen7754 21:47, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I will also note that MapmyIndia does verify the routings. --Rschen7754 22:31, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Rschen7754 17:27, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:GEOROAD. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:14, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. Based on the confusion generated by the original mapping source, the nominator was right to flag this. However, a reliable source has been found to prove the road is a state highway, specifically, the official designation order. Openstreetmap supports the route description, as does the map source noted by Rschen so the article appears to satisfy WP:V. WP:GEOROAD suggests state highways are typically notable. Rupples (talk) 06:20, 8 January 2023 (UTC)


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