Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Statue of Roberto Clemente (Louisville, Kentucky)


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The result was merge‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__ to Legacy of Roberto Clemente. And/or to Louisville Slugger Museum & Factory, whichever interested editors prefer.  Sandstein  19:47, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Statue of Roberto Clemente (Louisville, Kentucky)

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Not a notable statue. And I don't know how relevant this is but the location is also not significant to the baseball player who is depicted. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:28, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Visual arts, Baseball,  and Kentucky.  WC  Quidditch   ☎   ✎  10:44, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 *  Keep Merge and redirect (my comment below), a prominent artwork in the Louisville Slugger Museum & Factory museum's statue gallery, this statue is only one of two of Clemente on Wikipedia. I'm not understanding why it should be deleted, although it's a stub that could be expanded with text and a photograph the statue depicts one of America's most famous and honored baseball players and humanitarians. Randy Kryn (talk) 11:17, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 * delete unless some actual content can be scraped together in which case it might just merit a merge, either to the man or the museum.TheLongTone (talk) 15:00, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect. This subject is reasonably notable per sources provided in the article and its talk page, but the question here really is whether there will ever be enough content to ever stretch this beyond a tiny stub. Coverage of this subject in Legacy of Roberto Clemente or Roberto Clemente should suffice. Stefen Towers among the rest!   Gab • Gruntwerk 17:12, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect I found several local sources covering the unveiling of the statue at the museum, but they all basically say the same thing about a routine ceremony for a routine statue (this museum has seven of them in its gallery) about an extraordinary man. Without further WP:LASTING coverage, I don't think we need an article so say that so-and-so attended this event when Legacy of Roberto Clemente and Louisville Slugger Museum & Factory can cover the museum's exhibits and collection and his various forms of recognition. There are many other local news pieces about the museum's other exhibits, awards, artifacts, and events; this being a statue doesn't mean it can't still be covered in the main articles. The fame of the subject and the number of statues there are of him is not relevant to whether this particular one needs a stand-alone article. (Reywas92) (talk)
 * @Reywas92, if it has to be merged, would prefer a merge and redirect to Louisville Slugger Museum & Factory. Clemente has many, many statues of him in hundreds of locations and I don't think - I'm sure you would agree - every statue of Clemente merits a mention in the main articles. There are a few mentioned in the article which are relevant to Clemente's legacy or if he has a personal to the place. The obvious one, of course, is Pittsburgh.
 * There are hundreds of statues of Roberto Clemente? Where? There is this one in the museum of the Louisville Slugger bat manufacturer and there is one in Pittsburgh. Having articles about these two prominent statues are not overwhelming Wikipedia servers and should be kept. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:27, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
 * That's a WP:EVERYTHING argument "Wikipedia has space for it", not based on policy. I think Louisville Slugger Museum & Factory would be the better merge/redirect target, though Legacy of Roberto Clemente should also mention it. I don't think the statue is even that "prominent", it's just one of seven similar ones inside the museum, with no coverage beyond the museum's unveiling event. Not that any public art is automatically notable, but larger ones outdoors are at least sometimes included in various guides as visible local landmarks or don't always have obvious redirect targets like parts of a museum's exhibits. Reywas92Talk 21:44, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
 * To answer Randy's question: according to the Society of American Baseball Research, Clemente has more statues and memorials than anyone in sports other than Pele, the great football player. There are several in Puerto Rico and numerous on mainland United States. Here is the link if you're interested.
 * But I would say the statue outside the PNC Park, the stadium of the only MLB team he played for, in the American city with which he is most associated with, is a far more prominent than one of seven statues in a museum located in a city where he - as far as I can tell - never set foot in. It is not uncommon for museums to have a statue series. The Baseball Hall of Fame have quite a few statues in its building as well, including one of Clemente (which itself is part of one statue, alongside Jackie Robinson and Lou Gehrig).
 * And to clarify to @Reywas92: the statue's mention can be added manually of course and I will do so. What I meant was that the article redirect itself should be to the Museum's page. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:44, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the good research. Since there are only eight statues I don't understand why articles about them should be deleted (a merge is a delete's twin). There are multiple articles on Wikipedia about statues of the same individual, some of America's founders among them. People have put up eight statues of Roberto Clemente because he deserves much honor and respect. Maybe if there were hundreds of statues, an article on each one might be an overload. But since there are only eight, and other individuals have many more than that, the only reason I can see merging is if an article is written about the bat museum's notable statue gallery (and not just about the museum in general). Keeping this stand-alone page also maintains two major Wikipedia collections: Baseball, and statues (a major part of Wikipedia's visual art collection). Randy Kryn (talk) 03:41, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I've given the statue collection its own section; these aren't a single exhibit or gallery. Expansion is welcome there but a separate article just for that is unnecessary. But this can cover the baseball and art "collections", without the need for individual standalone pages for individual items. I've also expanded Legacy of Roberto Clemente to describe this honor and respect. Reywas92Talk 14:08, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you for doing so, @Reywas92. Omnis Scientia (talk) 17:05, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Randy, I have nothing against having another article on a statue by Clemente. I just don't think this particular one is notable enough to have a stand alone article. Omnis Scientia (talk) 17:04, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, thanks, have changed my comment to 'Merge', per this discussion and 's good work on the museum page. Randy Kryn (talk) 22:28, 1 May 2024 (UTC)


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