Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Staunton Mall


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The result was   Withdrawn and Keep. (non-admin closure)  TheSpecialUser TSU 00:22, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Staunton Mall

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This is a non-notable mall. There is some coverage, but it's all routine; changes of ownership, changes of name, and so on. Most of the coverage consists of mere mentions of the mall. &mdash; alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 16:24, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Virginia-related deletion discussions. 20:56, 17 August 2012 (UTC)  • Gene93k (talk) 20:56, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Shopping malls-related deletion discussions. 20:56, 17 August 2012 (UTC)  • Gene93k (talk) 20:56, 17 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment previously deleted at Articles for deletion/Stuanton Mall. Not sure now if that title creation was an end around protection at this title? No opinion on this article/AFD StarM 00:48, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep, precedent is that malls are notable and that coverage of this source is sufficient (compare Valley Mall (Harrisonburg), which was kept in 2008 with similar levels of coverage). The first source gives significant mention of the mall in its earliest days. Further coverage here and here, along with plenty more under its early-2000s name of "Colonial Mall Staunton". The coverage already in the article looks to be more than "mere mentions" to me. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 08:48, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Interesting; I see you sent this mall to AFD in 2007 and it was deleted, even though three of those sources you list are from prior to 2007. So things have changed by now in terms of consensus about shopping malls?  The Harrisonburg Mall seems to me to have a different level of coverage, and to be a different level of thingn in terms of notability.  You mentioned at my talk page that consensus is that malls are notable, but I don't see a policy.  Maybe this one's not. I saw the articles you found, and it still seems routine.  I actually read the two articles from the newsleader that are paywalled in your links and they didn't convince me either.  I will withdraw if I'm wrong about consensus regarding malls, though.  Perhaps it's time to write WP:MALLN?&mdash; alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 10:07, 18 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment&mdash;Thanks to Ten Pound Hammer for pointing out WP:NPLACE in WP:OUTCOMES, which mentions that "Larger malls are generally considered notable. Very small malls, strip malls and individual shops are generally deleted." I think I'll leave this AFD discussion running anyway, because I think the mall at hand is on the boundary.  It's physically larger than a strip mall, but it's smaller by a number of important metrics than many, many strip malls, some of which get as much or more coverage (e.g. see Ten Pound Hammer's first source up there, which mentions only that two homemade bombs blew up at the mall; homemade bombs blow up at strip malls too, and lots of other places, without conferring notability).  I'm serious about writing WP:MALLN if anyone's interested in thinking about it.&mdash; alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 15:26, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Wouldn't that be WP:NMALL? - Dravecky (talk) 00:24, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Sure. Is there some WP:SHORTCUTSTONOTABILITYSTANDARDSNAMINGCONVENTIONS page that I've missed somewhere?  What shall we do about WP:LISTN?&mdash; alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 00:29, 20 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep - Enclosed shopping malls are considered notable.  Dough 48  72  01:32, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
 * By whom? Is there some policy we've all missed?  Shouldn't its notability be judged on the quality of the sources and the applicable notability guideline, which in this case must be the GNG?  I don't want to hassle you about your opinion, but I'm really curious as to why enclosed shopping malls (and you're saying regardless of size? because there are some awfully teensy ones around) are automatically notable.&mdash; alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 01:52, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Enclosed malls are major commercial centers and shopping destinations for an area. They provide a lot of jobs and contribute a lot to the local economy, making them a notable part of the community.  Dough 48  72  01:55, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks for your time!&mdash; alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 01:57, 22 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep Inherent notability aside, there is actually a lot of news coverage of the mall. In addition to the sources already in the article, there's this report on mall vacancies, plus this article about a bookstore leaving, plus another article about the mall losing an anchor; it seems like there's been quite a bit of discussion of the mall's future in the past few years, which adds up to significant coverage. TheCatalyst31 Reaction•Creation 23:51, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Withdraw&mdash; OK, TheCatalyst convinces me. WP could probably use NMALL at some point, though.  Anyone interested?&mdash; alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 00:11, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
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