Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Stavros Malas


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. (non-admin closure) BusterD (talk) 01:11, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Stavros Malas

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I'm nominating this under the thinking that we can't have articles on every minister of health in every country, especially for articles of this short of a length. I'm not against the person being written about, I just think that if we allow this, then we're allowing one-liners on every ministers in or out of office. Please excuse me if I'm thinking about this incorrectly, as this is my first Afd submission, but I strongly disagree with allowing this article to stay in its current shape  Kangaroo  powah  03:30, 11 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep This person meets WP:POLITICIAN as the health minister (a cabinet level position) of Cyprus. Nominator claims that we "we can't have articles on every minister of health in every country" but this is not a valid argument for deletion. We ought to have referenced articles about every cabinet level minister in every country throughout history, even if practical considerations dictate that we won't have all those articles any time soon. If the nominator is concerned that the article is too short, then please expand it and reference it. References are available using the search tool provided above: Financial Mirror, Helsing Sanomat. The Cyprus Mail covers this person frequently, although most of the articles are archived rather than readily available online. Some recent Cyprus Mail articles available here indicate that he may be a presidential candidate next year, which increases his notability.  Cullen 328  Let's discuss it  04:54, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep The health minister of a foreign country means he seats at the cabinet and passes WP:POLITICIAN. This article establishes that he exists and this article is genuine. Strangely, there is no Greek wikipedia article on him. --Artene50 (talk) 04:59, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Cyprus-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 12:09, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Medicine-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 12:09, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
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 * Keep per WP:GNG (sources abound) and WP:POLITICIAN (presumption of notability). Location (talk) 13:13, 11 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment - The special notability guideline WP:POLITICIAN is referenced repeatedly above. It does not speak to automatic notability of cabinet officials, however:

In the case of candidates for political office who do not meet this guideline, the general rule is to redirect to an appropriate page covering the election or political office sought in lieu of deletion. Relevant material from the biographical article can be merged into the election or political office page if appropriate.
 * 1) Politicians and judges who have held international, national or sub-national (statewide/provincewide) office, and members or former members of a national, state or provincial legislature.(FOOTNOTE) This is a secondary criterion.  People who satisfy this criterion will almost always satisfy the primary criterion.  Biographers and historians will usually have already written about the past and present holders of major political offices.  However, this criterion ensures that our coverage of major political offices, incorporating all of the present and past holders of that office, will be complete regardless.(END OF NOTE) This will also apply to those who have been elected but not yet sworn into such offices.
 * 2) Major local political figures who have received significant press coverage.
 * 3) Just being an elected local official, or an unelected candidate for political office, does not guarantee notability, although such people can still be notable if they meet the primary notability criterion of "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject of the article".

Far be it from me to argue that cabinet ministers shouldn't receive a free pass under this rule — they should. But a cabinet ministry is not an office, therefore a valid defense rationale should be based upon either GNG (the citation of multiple, independent, published sources), or upon the use of common sense that this is the sort of material that SHOULD be in an encyclopedia, WP:IAR. Carrite (talk) 15:01, 11 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Although cabinet members are not explicitly referenced in WP:POLITICIAN, my interpretation is that a cabinet member is someone who holds a national political office. By definition, an official is someone who holds an office and cabinet members are considered officials. (A politician, of course, is someone who is involved in influencing public policy and decision making and need not be elected.)
 * I am not completely opposed to expanding the guideline to include what you have suggested below, but I fear instruction creep where the guideline is already sufficient to establish a person's notability. My preference would be to clarify the definition of "politician" and "office". Let me know if you think any of this should be raised in Wikipedia talk:Notability (people). Location (talk) 16:28, 11 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep under the principle of WP:Ignore All Rules. This is exactly the sort of material that SHOULD be in an encyclopedia. The Politician notability guideline should be expanded to include: "Individuals holding cabinet-level positions in national governments." Carrite (talk) 15:04, 11 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep the spirit of the law in WP:POLITICIAN is clearly that cabinet ministers are presumed notable, ("national office") however per User:Cullen328 above, he clearly also meets the WP:GNG. This is a good faith nomination however AFD is not the place to clean up articles. Valenciano (talk) 18:41, 11 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep WP:GNG.  I also support the presumption of cabinet ministers as notable under WP:POLITICAN #1.  --j⚛e deckertalk 01:14, 12 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep. Not only is he a government minister, which would in itself make his inclusion a no-brainer, he's also the governing party's presidential candidate. Someone please close this early and counsel the nominator about how misguided this nomination was. Everyking (talk) 19:39, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Just saying, but I nominated this article not as is, but when it was the first revision of the article. I realize that this was made incorrectly, but had the article included the info it has now, I wouldn't have nominated it. -- Kangaroo  powah  23:30, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
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