Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Stealing Angels


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. –MuZemike 23:06, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Stealing Angels

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Article has had a few problems recently with a COI editor; but I'm unconvinced the band is even notable. Two of the members being related to famous people is clearly not a reason; a single that charted at 59 on a minor chart clearly isn't either. GNews reveals 45 hits; the problem being that only 7 are actually about the band, and those are local paper listings saying they're playing near X soon. My band-o-meter says "not notable" - what think you? Black Kite (t) (c) 17:34, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep Hot Country Songs is hardly a minor chart, and the song's at #48 not #59. The CMT and The Boot articles seem like reliable third party coverage to me. Also, the COI editor has stopped editing. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 18:05, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep-Definitely not my cup-o-tea musically, but per his otterness reasons above, seems to pass WP:NOTABLE.  He  iro  18:06, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep - passes WP:BAND. Methinks the Kite's band-o-meter needs retuning! ukexpat (talk) 18:17, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep - per WP:BAND. Criteria for musicians and ensembles states on #2: "Has had a single or album on any country's national music chart". And since having charted on the Country Songs chart, it passes. EnDaLeCoMpLeX (contributions) • (let's chat) 20:26, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep per all the above rationales. CloversMallRat (talk) 20:31, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Note to admins - User:CloversMallRat is the creator of the article.  Nowyouseeme talk2me  21:53, 7 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep agree with all above, meets criteria Infinitely Humble (talk) 20:47, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep As per TenPoundHammer. PanydThe muffin is not subtle 20:56, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - I don't think this meets the notability criteria for musicians/ensembles - they haven't charted on any country's main chart, just once on a genre chart (not even reaching top 40). The article only has 3 sources, one of which is of the bands website, which I don't find sufficient. CMT and The Boot will write about any and every country music song, whether notable or not.  Nowyouseeme talk2me  21:00, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
 * How is a genre chart insufficient? I'm not seeing it. If it were only at, say, #29 on Hot AC, would you say no? Also, I wouldn't say that The Boot or CMT write about "every country music band". Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 21:02, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I meant to say 'band' instead of song, and if they charted at #29 on AC I would still say delete.  Nowyouseeme talk2me  21:07, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I think I see a flaw in your argument "CMT/The Boot writes about every country music band whether notable or not". But CMT and The Boot are reliable third party sources, so if they write about the act, it's notable per WP:GNG. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 21:12, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
 * So right now if I picked up a guitar and started humming a tune, and The Boot, and CMT wrote an article about it, according to you I would be notable enough to have my own Wikipedia article?  Nowyouseeme talk2me  21:15, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
 * You're taking this a little too far. They probably wouldn't do that. But even so, those sites are very reliable, reputable, whatever you wanna call it, and if they wrote whole articles on you, that would be at least a start in the "reliable third party sources" required by WP:GNG. (Also, why does it matter that they're "only" on the country charts? It's certainly more major than, say, "#3 on the charts for West Podunk, #2 in East Podunk".) Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 21:17, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Unless CMT is sitting in your driveway right now, your arguemnt kinda falls on its face. If CMT is showing up to write an article on you, your prolly notable enough to have an article.  He  iro  21:20, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Those websites certainly could do that if they wanted to. Using your words, if they wrote about me strumming my guitar I would be notable, which is ludicrous. "Has had a single or album on any country's national music chart" - I just don't see this as pertaining to genre charts, it sounds to me like it means the country's main chart.  Nowyouseeme talk2me  21:27, 7 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Clearly I don't understand WP:MUSIC, but someone's still going to have to explain to me how a band with a single that was the 48th most popular, in a niche market, for one week, is notable. Blimey - if that's the bar for notability, my old band who once made #37 in the British indie charts in 1987 (for one week) is notable (and I'll give you a clue - we weren't). Black Kite (t) (c) 23:12, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
 * It's not like the song's hit #48 and it's done. You don't know that it won't climb higher. What if it gets to, say, #33? Would it still be "non notable" then? How about #29? #17? #5? Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 03:01, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * It is done. The song is currently at No. 59 on the country chart after weeks of falling backwards.  Nowyouseeme talk2me  04:06, 8 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 23:59, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
 * 'Delete A genre chart is not particularly notable, certainly not at #49, this means perhaps just one or two plays on a few country music stations in one given week. Almost any band that's ever been played on radio could qualify under this sort of standard. No evidence of significant sales or popularity.Sumbuddi (talk) 03:03, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Again, why is a genre chart "not particularly notable"? Do you just not like county music? And how are the Boot and CMT sources not enough for notability? All I'm hearing so far from anyone saying delete is "well, it's just not notable, that's how I feel, it's just not notable just not notable just not notable" Don't you know that's an argument to avoid? Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 03:13, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I loooooooovee country music actually.
 * I am entitled to my opinion, which is backed up by more argument than most of the KEEPs here, not sure what the relevance of the 'just not notable' schtick you've got going there is. I read the sources, my assessment of them was 'this band is unsignificant and has done nothing, but now they have a hot(ish) new manager who, if they are lucky, might bring them some success in the future.' When that happens, I'll be sure to vote KEEP. In the mean time, you can find plenty of sources about all kinds of pop culture crap (reality TV stars for instance), but it's well-established that doesn't automatically make them notable, in fact they generally aren't. Feel free to tell me I don't like country music and my reasoning is faulty, I'll really enjoy it if you tell me that. But seriously, just not at all noteworthy right now. Sumbuddi (talk) 03:27, 8 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep for all the reasons EnDaLeCoMpLeX and Ten Pound Hammer have so clearly stated above. They have charted on the country music charts. Ejgreen77 (contributions) 23:25, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep charted on a major chart, nothing more to say. --Caldorwards4 (talk) 03:40, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment - Have half of you keeps even looked at the article? It's nothing. It hardly has any substantial information at all. If all of you want it to be kept so badly then I certainly hope you all are willing to devote time to expand the article.. because as I said.. it's nothing.  Nowyouseeme talk2me  03:53, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm completely astonished, I must admit. Yes, if there was evidence they passed any other of the tenets of WP:BAND this would be irrelevant, but #48 on a genre chart is enough for notability now? Seriously?  How is that the USA's national music chart (which is clearly the intention of the policy)?.  Black Kite (t) (c) 06:18, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Exactly. I think they need to look closer at "any country's national music chart ". Note that it says chart singular, as in 1 chart, as in the main chart, as in the Hot 100. By no stretch of the imagination is Hot Country Songs the United States' national music chart. What if it charted at No. 48 on Billboards Tropical Songs chart? Country and Tropical are both genre charts aren't they, equal? Would they still be "notable" then?  Nowyouseeme talk2me  06:51, 8 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep - The argument over whether the chart is notable is going nowhere slowly and was resolved way up above. Also, for those criticizing the article for being thin, if you put the same amount of effort into improving the article as you have here about deleting it, most of this discussion wouldn't be necessary. -- D OOMSDAYER 520  (Talk|Contribs) 14:09, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Why the hell would I put in effort to improving an article that I think isn't notable and should be deleted?  Nowyouseeme talk2me  14:13, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * By my count, since the nomination yesterday, 6 editors have made 14 contributions to the article to at least get it to viable stub form. Meanwhile, you have commented in this debate 9 times, with many more levels of effort than that expended by the folks who are doing what is supposed to be done with a weak article - improve it. Oh, and take a look at the "Co-operation and civility" section of WP:CIVIL which can be read in less time than it took me to type this.-- D OOMSDAYER 520  (Talk|Contribs) 15:01, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll be sure to read it as soon as you read WP:Piss off (WP:NOTCENSORED) .  Nowyouseeme talk2me  15:48, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * WP:NOTCENSORED is trumped by WP:CIVIL.  He  iro  16:46, 8 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment They also received a full page article in a recent Country Weekly which I just added to the article. Surely that says something about notability per WP:GNG? Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 19:24, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment If you all that are saying that having charted a minor single on the Hot Country Songs chart isn't enough to be notable, then Mica Roberts should be up for deletion again as well. She failed to chart within the Top 50 of the charts. EnDaLeCoMpLeX (contributions) • (let's chat) 22:31, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Dude, don't tempt them. WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS and all. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 22:56, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * keep seems notable Aisha9152 (talk) 16:08, 9 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep Meets WP:BAND and WP:GNG. Eric444 (talk) 06:15, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
 * keep for same reasons Aisha9152 (talk) 17:00, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Don't !vote more than once. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 17:27, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.