Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Stefan Lindeberg


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. There's a lot of commentary and debate about one or more people with the same or similar names which does not form part of my analysis and consideration. I am only considering the person about whom this article was written, and the consensus is that he does not merit an article. Anyone desirous of moving other articles into this name or creating sensible redirects is not, of course, prevented from doing so. Stifle (talk) 15:28, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Stefan Lindeberg

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Back in October it was decided that competitors in the Olympics who do not win medals are not default notable. The sourcing for this article consists only of one source, which is so totally comprehensive that being sourced to is in no way adds towards passing GNG. My searches identified several other people with this name, although I am not sure any are notable. I did find one name dropped in a 1994 book that was discussing issues of sport subsidies, and holding up scandinavian countries as an example, they were mentioning the name to say that sa some unidentified place Stefan Lindeberg had said something about the issue. It was from gbooks and I could only get a snipet, but based on the 1994 nature of the source and this person having died in 1974, I strongly suspect there was some other person with this same name who was involved in some sort of sports administration. Digging deeper I found this listing of a Lindeberg as I think (I can not see much in snippet view) a vice chair of the Swedish Olympic commitee in 1989, which is A-not a position that gives default notability, B-listing in a name list like that is not adding to passing GNG and C-it is clearly someone else, because this person died 15 years earlier. My point is I went and tried to find more sourcing on this person, and came up with absolutely nothing. Because there is that other person with the same name who is as likely if not more likely to be notable, we should not preserve this article as a redirect.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:33, 25 January 2022 (UTC) *Redirect per Lugnuts. All the information in this article is there. JPL could frankly have been bold and just done that rather than take the article to AfD, but I understand why he chose to err on the side of caution and take it to AfD. Smartyllama (talk) 18:55, 27 January 2022 (UTC) Changing my vote to delete as there is now an article on another person with a similar (though not identical) name so this should probably redirect there. Smartyllama (talk) 22:47, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 14:36, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sweden-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 14:36, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Weightlifting at the 1936 Summer Olympics – Men's 75 kg per WP:ATD.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 18:09, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
 * You are of course ignoring the clear indications that this is not the most proninent person associated with the name. Even within the realm of Olympic sports it seems there was an equally if not more prominent person with this same name. So a redirect does not seem to be a valid option at all.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:56, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom.   Per JPL, a redirect is not a good option in this case. My own google searches (including this) turn up multiple persons with that name who are borderline notable, including an actor, an author, a symphonic conductor, a hockey player, a race car driver, and an entrepreneur. We even have a Wikimedia category for playwright Stefan Lindeberg (here). The proposed redirect presumes that people searching for "Stefan Lindberg" want information on the man who finished ninth in his weight class at the 1936 Olympics.  I think it far more likely that such persons are searching for one of the Stefan Lindebergs who gained some measure of notability in the past 50 years. Under these circumstances, redirecting to a chart on results of the 1936 Olympic weightlifting competition does a serious disservice to our readers. Cbl62 (talk) 16:45, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
 * If we had an article on one of those people, it would be different. But we don't. For now, this is the only Stefan Lindberg covered on Wikipedia. Smartyllama (talk) 17:00, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
 * We have an article on the 1936 Stefan Lindberg, but we shouldn't -- he's less notable than some of the others who a reader might be searching for. Cbl62 (talk) 17:07, 28 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Well we do have an article that mentions the TV character Stefan Lindberg. I know it is a slightly different spelling, but still. Anyway, just because a name is burried in a stat list somewhere does not mean it is really a good redirect target.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:04, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Also there is a possibility that Love and Anarchy will be seen to be a notable TV series and get an article. If we see what noramlly happens with TV series and films the creator will mass link the names of the whole cast, and having just yesterday removed a cast link to a person who died about 75 years before the film in question was created, I know people do not look into those links well, so leaving this as a redirect to an obscure Olympic competitor might well lead to us having a false link on the cast list of a 2020s TV show to a person who died in the 1970s. Some of these other people have received at least as much if not more coverage than this person.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:08, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
 * there also evidently was a recurring character in a 2011-2018 Danish TV show named Stefan Lindberg. I am not sure how likely Danish and Swedish speakers are to confuse these names, but I as an English speaker did confuse them. This idea that competing, as opposed to medaling in the Olympics is a major detail that makes someone even borderline notable is not quite supported by sources. I found a funeral notice for an Olympian who was also a medical doctor, who died 9 years after his participation in the Olympics, in the city where he did his medical practice no less, that did not make any mention of his being involved in the Olympics.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:04, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I agree this guy isn't notable, and every bit of information in this article is in the other article, so a redirect seems reasonable for now. If there were another suitable place for this to go, that would be different, but there isn't, and we can always delete the redirect later to make way for an article about one of the other ones if someone wants to write such an article. Does the Danish TV show have an article on this wiki currently? If not, it's a moot point. Smartyllama (talk) 17:09, 28 January 2022 (UTC)


 * e/c :If there was a more notable person called "Stefan Lindeberg" on WP, they would be the primary topic already, and this guy would be at Stefan Lindeberg (weightlifter). If/when an article for another guy with the same name is created, then a WP:RM can be done to move it to the basename, as this is done all the time.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 17:11, 28 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Yes, there are on wiki discussions of other Stefan Lindbergs that are as meritorious or more meritorious than a redirect to the 1936 Olympic weightlifing competition. E.g. August Prize (the author SL won the prize), 1998 Swedish Touring Car Championship (ranking the race car driver SL), List of Frölunda HC players (list including the football player SL), The Bridge (2011 TV series) (TV character). Why should we be redirecting to a 1936 Olympic results chart instead of any of these?  I continue to believe that the redirect is a really bad idea in this case. Cbl62 (talk) 17:25, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Further evidence: The primary topic for "Stefan Lindberg" on Swedish Wikipedia is the playwright. See here. And Swedish Wikipedia doesn't even mention the 1936 weightlifter. With all of this evidence, redirecting "Stefan Lindberg" to a 1936 weightlifting chart is frankly ludicrous. Cbl62 (talk) 17:31, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
 * If someone wants to write an article for the playwright, we can revisit this. Until then, redirect is fine. Smartyllama (talk) 00:22, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Stefan Lindberg (playwright) now exists and is the primary topic. When this AfD closes and the existing article is deleted, "Stefan Lindberg (playwright)" should then be moved to "Stefan Lindberg". Cbl62 (talk) 00:55, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
 * In light of that I am changing my !vote. I have also moved the playwright to just Stefan Lindberg as his name is spelled slightly differently so there is no current conflict, but this is still probably better suited as a redirect there. Smartyllama (talk) 22:47, 29 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Comment: https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan_Lindeberg is about a sports official. Please forget about "Lindberg" now... Geschichte (talk) 09:09, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you Geschichte. I somehow missed the extra "e". Your find further reinforces the argument that the redirect proposed above is ill advised. The correct rsult here is to delete. Cbl62 (talk) 10:37, 1 February 2022 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.