Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Stefan Schwarzmann


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The result was   Keep. Withdrawn and no delete !votes. (WP:NAC). duffbeerforme (talk) 11:16, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Stefan Schwarzmann

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I cannot find sufficient RS indicia of notability of this person. The article has zero third party refs. Epeefleche (talk) 00:45, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep. Member of several notable bands. Sources added.--Michig (talk) 06:10, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi Michig. Thanks for the addition of the off-line sources.  Just one question (as I may be open to withdrawing, based on what you found) -- if a band is notable, I was under the belief that it is not necessarily the case that each of its members is notable.  What is our criteria for a band member himself (e.g., do we need RSs discussing him specifically, and substantially so?).  Many thanks.--Epeefleche (talk) 06:20, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Well he have a criterion of WP:MUSIC (#6): "Is an ensemble which contains two or more independently notable musicians, or is a musician who has been a member of two or more independently notable ensembles." - given that Schwarzmann has been a member of at least four independently notable ensembles, and we have reliable sources to at least have a stub that passes WP:V, I think we should keep this.--Michig (talk) 06:31, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Perfect. Tx.--Epeefleche (talk) 06:48, 14 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Withdrawn. Based on Michig's off-line sources, which now appear as refs in the article.--Epeefleche (talk) 06:48, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep. If the creator is allowed to vote? And I've noted the nomination has been withdrawn, too, but I wanted to ask a question: The fact that the claims for notability are unsourced - could I suggest that that isn't reason to delete the article? That it shouldn't be deleted until the unsourced claims were challenged? If the claims are controversial, they could be challenged, if they seem unlikely, they could be challenged. I know they could be challenged for sport, so the article might be deleted anyway. Still, as a general view... any opinions? Thanks by the way for improving the article by adding sources!--Odd M. Nilsen (talk) 13:40, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Consider the AFD to be such a challenge. In any event, with BLPs there is even greater sensitivity than normal to unsourced material, and it may generally be deleted by editors in the absence of sourcing.  That, of course, did not happen here.  As you create articles, I sould suggest the best course, to avoid such problems, would be to source the content that you add.  Best.--Epeefleche (talk) 15:35, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  — • Gene93k (talk) 00:02, 15 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Request speedy close now that nominator has withdrawn. Chubbles (talk) 18:24, 16 June 2011 (UTC)


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