Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Stefan Th. Gries


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. (non-admin closure) — Theo polisme  02:11, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Stefan Th. Gries

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There are concerns about the notability of the subject, the source of the content (appears to be copy/pasted from several sources online), and the style of the article (needs lots of cleanup). The copy/pasting may not be a breach of copyright if the subject is writing the article himself, but then the issue of autobiography and notability is raised. FratHoneyBee (talk) 00:51, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

The first and second paragraphs were once all of the Amazon pages for Stefan Gries, but they were removed recently. They still appear when phrases are searched with Google. The first paragraph appears here: http://books.google.com/books?id=c6Ii092IX9oC&pg=PA249&lpg=PA249 The second paragraph appears here: http://english.ua.edu/life/symposium Most of the third paragraph appears here: http://www.ugent.be/doctoralschools/en/doctoraltraining/courses/archive/2012-2013/2012-2013-digital-humanities.htm

There is a notability argument on the article's talk page that goes along the lines of the journal he is editor of was founded by himself, and thus not the same as being appointed the editor-in-chief of an established top journal in the field (rather than a journal in a sub-field). FratHoneyBee (talk) 01:00, 31 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep and cleanup - Generally speaking, an article needing cleanup is not a reason for deletion, but rather a reason for cleanup. Remember, there is no deadline. As for the copyright issues, I haven't yet looked into them, but even if there are problems, AfD is not the forum to discuss or address these issues. Please see Wikipedia's deletion policy. Thank you. Go   Phightins  !  22:37, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. — Frankie (talk) 17:50, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Language-related deletion discussions. — Frankie (talk) 17:51, 1 November 2012 (UTC)


 * According the 'professor test', "[a]cademics/professors meeting any one of the following conditions, as substantiated through reliable sources, are notable.":
 * "1. The person's research has made significant impact in their scholarly discipline, broadly construed, as demonstrated by independent reliable sources."
 * As of 11/1/2012, Gries has an h-index of 25, >2200 citations on Google Scholar, and he has given >10 invited plenaries in the last 6 years (source: ). Gries currently serves on 10 editorial boards of journals and book series.
 * "2. The person has received a highly prestigious academic award or honor at a national or international level."
 * Gries has been awarded the Honorary Liebig Professorship of the Justus-Liebig University Giessen, only the second such professorship to be awarded (source:  and ).
 * "4. The person's academic work has made a significant impact in the area of higher education, affecting a substantial number of academic institutions."
 * Gries has authored the only textbook on corpus linguistics with R (reviewed positively in the field's premier journal International Journal of Corpus Linguistics, on the field's largst newsgroup (LinguistList), and on Amazon) and one of only three textbooks on statistics (reviewed positively in the field's premier journal Language, on the field's largst newsgroup (LinguistList), and on Amazon)for linguists with R (
 * "8. The person is or has been the head or chief editor of a major well-established academic journal in their subject area."
 * Gries has been co-editor-in-chief, then editor-in-chief, of the international peer-reviewed journal Corpus Linguistics and Linguistic Theory (source: ). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.189.246.106 (talk) 18:23, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
 * The article has been around since it seems 2007, the fact that academic departments or events needing to characterize the scholar in question use the Wikipedia article should not be held _against_ the article, but _in favor of_ it. Thus, given teh age of the article, it is not article that is pasted together, it's pages at ugent etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.189.246.106 (talk • contribs) 18:35 1 November 2012


 * Keep but reduce to stub - As far as I can tell all of this article has been copy/pasted, they match almost exactly the text in the links provided above by the nominator. The first and third paragraphs could be seen as copyright violations and should be removed, the second link doesn't seem to be copyrighted and could stay, but may need to be cleaned up a bit. I think there is enough evidence that the subject meets notability (as pointed out above by 184.189.246.106 ), so once the copyrighted text is removed there is no reason to delete. Sarahj2107 (talk) 02:08, 3 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment - As the nominator, it is clear that my vote is delete, but I wish to address several of the points that 184.189.246.106 made.
 * 1. This doesn't seem to be automatically satisfied just with citations.
 * 2. It is not clear that this award is on the same level with awards listed in the criterion (e.g. Nobel Prize, MacArthur Fellowship, the Fields Medal, the Bancroft Prize, the Pulitzer Prize for History).
 * 4. Just because the only textbook written in a field was authored by Gries does not imply it has a broad impact. Further evidence of this is needed.
 * 8. The webpage for CLLT states that it is 'newly founded'. The issue is that this is a new journal started by Gries and being the Editor in Chief of it does not carry the same weight as being the Editor in Chief of an already established journal.

Moreover, there is substantial evidence that the page was created by Stefan Gries (see User talk:Stgries). This is a contradiction of what Wikipedia Is Not (Self-Promotion and Autobiography). In the end, I think this article should be deleted and, if someone else starts it from scratch later, let it stay. But this page seems to be used by Stefan Gries as a means of self-promotion. FratHoneyBee (talk) 17:21, 3 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Spinning Spark  19:40, 6 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep He seems to be pretty well known in the linguistics field.  He has several non-vanity published books with multiple editions.  Please note that his full name is Stefan Thomas Gries, and the article should probably be moved there.    Th e S te ve   06:41, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep and clean up. I looked at his Google Scholar profile and he has an h-index of 25 and five papers with over 100 citations. That should be enough to pass WP:PROF criterion #1. His position as the editor-in-chief of Corpus Linguistics and Linguistic Theory also points to a clear pass of WP:PROF criterion #8. The article needs to be investigated for more possible copyvio and given a general cleaning up, but it doesn't need to be deleted. — Mr. Stradivarius  (have a chat) 14:29, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.