Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Stel Pavlou (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Geschichte (talk) 08:35, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

Stel Pavlou
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Subject's article appears to have been previously curated as a promotional device, as evidenced by too much detail using primary sources, many of which come from the subject himself. The most attention the subject received from independent sources was from his writing of the screenplay for a mediocre movie, but these sources focus much more on the movie and mentions of subject seem to be driven by publicist activity. His books are also not notable, having received no awards or producing any appreciable impact in literature. Recently, subject hosted a pseudoarchaeology show on the Discovery Channel, which has been reviewed poorly and drew sharp criticism from professional archaeologists--fringe issues apply. One source I added discusses this issue. Taken together, the sources do not even get close to establishing notability. Two IP users (from subject's city) and then a new user arrived last week getting close to edit wars to remove templates and insert promo material. I suggest we delete and wait for this guy to become notable if ever. Qt.petrovich (talk) 10:40, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. Qt.petrovich (talk) 10:40, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. Lightburst (talk) 18:42, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 18:50, 4 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep. He's not overwhelmingly notable, but there is coverage for his works Decipher and the screenplay for the 51st State via reviews remarking negatively upon said script. The article definitely needs some judicious cleaning to remove puffery and content source to dubious or outright unusable sources, but that can be done outside of AfD. If IPs and SPAs are posing an issue, we can always put a semi-protection on the page to prevent unhelpful edits. ReaderofthePack (formerly Tokyogirl79)  (｡◕‿◕｡)  20:38, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
 * TBH, we could probably redirect the Decipher page to the main article as there's not much on the book page that isn't already on this main page. ReaderofthePack (formerly Tokyogirl79)  (｡◕‿◕｡)  20:41, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Actually, looks like there's enough for Decipher. Not sure about Gene, though. ReaderofthePack (formerly Tokyogirl79)  (｡◕‿◕｡)  20:13, 5 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep. I did some research. Guy was recently invited to speak to the Explorer’s Club and was on Josh Gates Tonight, as well as interviewed for the Daily Beast. That’s notable enough for me. Also hosts his own show. That’s not nothing.Madvark (talk) 22:59, 4 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Please limit the discussion to Pavlou and avoid stating claims about the editor's intent, particularly without proof. Offhand I can see why this page was nominated. I do think that Pavlou is notable, but I can see where they were coming from. ReaderofthePack (formerly Tokyogirl79)  (｡◕‿◕｡)  20:17, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete Honestly, pretty borderline notabiltiy for me after looking a bit more in depth. At the very least, as noted previously, the article needs a massive rewrite and to be gutted a lot due to the obvious stain of COI. &#123;&#123;u&#124;Abillionradios&#125;&#125; {Static} 01:23, 5 October 2021 (UTC) I've removed my objections thanks to ReaderofthePack's hard work. &#123;&#123;u&#124;Abillionradios&#125;&#125; {Static} 22:50, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Cyprus-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 11:49, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I added multiple sources to the article - what's your opinion now? I added coverage for his books, as well as some newspaper coverage of the screenplay and the author. ReaderofthePack (formerly Tokyogirl79)  (｡◕‿◕｡)  20:17, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I believe it was User:Abillionradios and not me that voted delete. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 17:41, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your work on the article, @ReaderofthePack. I can see now that this is getting close to WP:SNOW. You added more sources that puts this over the notability line for me, just barely ;) Qt.petrovich (talk) 15:52, 7 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep. Author of several novels which are read. Host in TV docu which is debated. Has published a hypothesis about Atlantis in a "real" journal which is discussed. For now a clear keep. To be dropped only if it happens that he drops out of public appearance completely after several years.--Thorwald C. Franke (talk) 21:16, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep There are clearly enough reliable sources on the article to establish notability. It should be noted that there was already a deletion discussion and the vote was keep . I don't see much different in the article content since then but now there are additional references added by ReaderofthePack and others documenting Pavlou's involvement with a new television show. Psychologist Guy (talk) 13:44, 6 October 2021 (UTC)


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