Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Stephan Berwick


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The result was   nomination withdrawn to allow further discussion of relevant standards. Closing this myself despite being the nom. due to the low level of participation. JJL (talk) 15:09, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Stephan Berwick

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Non-notable martial artist; minor work in film, author of some IKF and BB articles and a couple of general Tai Chi books (e.g. the 48 page "Tai Chi for kids"). Page orphaned apart from a dab for the surname, and only evidence of being noted given is one article in JAMA. He has achieved some minor additional attention per MANOTE #1 but does not appear to meet WP:GNG. Page written as promo. JJL (talk) 02:45, 3 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions.  —JJL (talk) 02:45, 3 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Strong Keep Non-notable martial artist but one of the few academic authors in martial arts. "Stephan has co-authored three books and two dozen substantive articles in various martial arts publications such as the JMA, Kung Fu Tai Chi (KFTC), and IKF." Look at Stephan_Berwick. jmcw (talk) 07:49, 3 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment anything other than JAMA tends to be unreviewed puff-pieces so I give that very little weight. Having written that many articles wouldn't meet WP:N for an academic or journalist. So, I disagree with you as I don't see how he meets WP:AUTHOR--there's no evidence he's "regarded as an important figure or is widely cited by their peers or successors" (three cites in JAMA were mentioned). For books, he seems to have co-authored several books of no clear notability. He may be working on things, but is he notable--has he been noted? JJL (talk) 14:38, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment I am not sure what you expect of a notable martial arts scholar: could you give me an example of a wiki article about a notable martial arts scholar? jmcw (talk) 21:19, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment Two martial arts books published by Tuttle Publishing: puff-pieces? jmcw (talk) 21:27, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment I was referring to the articles there. But I notice both of the Tuttle books are co-authored and the one in the popular series doesn't rank in the top 6 million at Amazon. I think you're lowering the WP:AUTHOR standards for our field of interest, and I don't think that's the intent of that guideline. JJL (talk) 01:56, 4 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment JJL and I have continued this discussion at User_talk:JJL and Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Martial_arts jmcw (talk) 08:24, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment I would be happy to withdraw the nomination while we discuss this matter further. JJL (talk) 00:26, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment It would be pleasing to me but I think it will take some time before we develop guidelines. There are not too many active people currently in Wiki MA - no one is rushing to make comments. jmcw (talk) 09:08, 5 August 2009 (UTC)


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