Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Stephen A. Unger


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The result was   keep. Mgm|(talk) 11:28, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Stephen A. Unger

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Few, if any, of the facts are supported by reliable sources. The link to the articles in variety and NY Times appear to be blog-style postings disguised as articles. The SportingNews 'poll' seems to be voted by anyone. I see no assertion of notability, other than these.  Chzz  ►  07:16, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
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 * I don't understand why you don't view the Daily Variety as a reliable source - I wasn't trying to disguise anything as an article, I wanted to establish that he was a weekly columnist for one of the preeminent entertainment periodicals, which is why I linked to his Variety bio - there are links on his bio page to the articles he wrote for the paper. The NY Times page was used to establish that he was the associate producer on an Emmy award winning show - it's not a blog entry, how is it less credible than sourcing IMDB for production credits? The Sporting News seems to be a pretty reliable source. Admittedly, I don't know the criteria for their "Most Powerful" list, but I don't think that being included in it's list is as trivial as you seem to think it is. Monnaliza (talk) 20:38, 16 April 2009 (UTC)


 * The Sporting News has been around since 1886. Further clarification on who determines their "Most Powerful" and criteria: List is determined by a 14 member panel of their executives and editors, provided with guideline that, "A person with power in the world of sports has the capability to effect significant change--or to prevent significant change--in the games we play. By this definition, power is not athletic prowess or achievement and should not be confused with winning championships, individually or as a member of a team or even as a coach or owner." Monnaliza (talk) 19:21, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * None of the references in the article, with the possible exception of the UCLA lecture piece, come close to talking about Unger himself in any depth; they are mostly about items with which he is related, but the articles don't say much about him. The Sporting News ref is really just a list with his name and a two-sentence blurb attached. And the Variety ref is a link list to articles Unger wrote, making it at best a primary source. While they are legitimate footnotes that document facts in the article, none of them help fulfill the requirements of WP:N. Rklear (talk) 02:45, 21 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Can you also clarify why you deleted the external links? The article's subject is one of the founders of Foster's Hollywood, which is one of the largest restaurant chains in Spain. There is no internal wikipedia entry for Foster's Hollywood, which is why I provided a link to the website in the external links section. As I understand WP:EXTERNAL, this seems to fall within the criteria for inclusion. Monnaliza (talk) 19:34, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 00:11, 21 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Please note that I have made changes in the article to address the concerns expressed here. Monnaliza (talk) 03:02, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 00:00, 28 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep The article is extensively referenced. Many of the sources are passing references, but their usage in the article is to verify certain claims in the article. The references that prove Unger passes WP:BIO are this article from Variety, this article from the Los Angeles Times, and a second article from the Los Angeles Times. Cunard (talk) 04:27, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 03:30, 30 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Relisting comment Reverting my close and relisting at the request of the nominator. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 03:31, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep Seems to be notable for a variety of pursuits. Writing, restauranteur etc. ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:38, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep the references do need to be cleaned up removing any that dont meet WP:RS but appearing in a top 100 list in Sporting News demonstrates notability.--RadioFan (talk) 11:43, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
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