Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Stereotypes of Jews


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was delete - no salvageable content, although the page should not be subject to CSD G4 deletions if recreated with more encyclopedic content, per Drenched. (ESkog)(Talk) 02:36, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Stereotypes of Jews
Thinly veiled attack page; if I'm unitentionally assuming bad faith, I apologise; the article is also grounds for deletion as a blatant violation of WP:NOR   hoopydink  Conas tá tú? 20:03, 14 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Judaism-related deletions.  - CrazyRussian talk/email 20:11, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete OR, POV magnet. - CrazyRussian talk/email 20:11, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per CrazyRussian.--Chaser T 20:42, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NOR, WP:CB. Also, the use of affiirming an endorsing phrases such as "Jews are also known to..." suggests the article is providing information about Jews as distinct from information on opinions about Jews, i.e. it is endorsing or advocacating the POVs it contains. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shirahadasha (talk • contribs)
 * Delete contents but Keep page I apologize to everyone who took offense from this page. I didn't create it as an attack page, nor do I endorse or take responsibility for the contents.  I agree that the contents are extremely problematic and subjective, and I do not agree with them.  It was simply copy/pasted directly from the article Ethnic stereotypes in American media, where it has a subheading (I was making independent articles for all the subheadings in the article).  I was hoping to create a page where portrayals of Jews in media, literature, news, society (etc). could be explored in a thorough and scholarly way, and where all the pages like jewish american princess, jewish mother stereotype, Nice Jewish boy (etc.) could be organized and/or linked to in one place.  Would it be possible instead to keep this page as a placeholder but delete all the contents, leaving only links to related articles until better content can be created?  Thanks.  --Drenched 21:36, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment: No, this is technically impossible. What would be the point? Anyone can create an article with any name at any time, so there is no difference between having a "placeholder" and not having an article at all. —Caesura(t) 21:52, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Addendum: I know this article will probably get deleted anyway, but here are some examples of more developed comparable sites (although these are also flawed and need a lot of work too) for a better idea of where this was going: Stereotypes of Asians, Stereotypes of Africans/Blacks --Drenched 01:11, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete the current content as original research, but keep in mind as a good topic for an article someday. As per the talk page, this was a cut and paste from Ethnic stereotypes in American media.  That page has an original research/unverified warning box at the top for a while.  It's had cleanup/NPOV/NOR problems for a while, and survived an AFD that closed July 6th.  There was a short discussion on its talk page with low participation about splitting, and this is one of seven split pages that were started.  I think the nominator should have read those explanations before nominating. (Timestamps show they were already there.)  Had that been done, the nomination would have been worded differently.  Splitting was also suggested by at least one contributor to the AFD of the originating article.  As that AFD concluded, stereotypes can be a worthy subject for an encyclopedia article.  This content is using "stereotype" primarily in its use as "a form of dramatic shorthand for 'stock character'."  Natural given where the text came from, but not what we expect to see first.  I conclude that it is not an attack page.  It is original research, and not the topic people expect to be seeing under this title.  I haven't looked at the other six pages split out to know what should be done with them, someone with time on their hands could go do that.  GRBerry 21:56, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete, this really does qualify for original research at the moment, and the current content should be wiped away. However, I find it hard to believe that there aren't neutral, well-conducted studies and articles on this topic that could be referenced in a good WP article. I only vote "delete" because I think the page, as Drenched's intentions indicate, would be better-handled under another title (perhaps "Jewish Stereotypes in American Media" or something of the like, if it doesn't already exist). It would be a POV magnet to be sure, but it's still a valid subject of interest, and what is Wikipedia if not bold? -- H·G (words/works) 23:39, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
 * STRONG DELETE per norm --רח"ק | Talk | Contribs 00:22, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Speedy Delete per WP:ATK. Hate should not be documented and categorized. If this were a list of epithets for handicapped or mentally disabled people, we would not even be having this discussion. --Xrblsnggt 02:13, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment Seems like there is a whole category for it Category:Pejorative terms for people. Jon513 18:17, 15 July 2006 (UTC)


 * 'Delete as OR abakharev 08:39, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I've already voted delete above, but perhaps we could also userfy this to Drench so he can hunt for sources.--Chaser T 08:48, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I've userfied the contents to User:Drenched/Stereotypes_of_Jews  hoopydink  Conas tá tú? 08:55, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete without prejudice against a sourced, neutral article. Good idea, poor execution this time around. Usually I'd say just to stub it and take out all the problem material, but that might just encourage malicious reverts. -- nae'blis (talk) 17:13, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Question: What does it mean to userfy an article? I think stubbing it and removing the current contents minus the intro explanation & links might be a good idea.  Of course, people might vandalize the article or just add their own POV/OR content to it (which will always be a problem for any article about a topic of this nature), but it would also give actual scholars a place to add valid researched content as well.  I don't think there would be any malicious reverts though; I certainly wouldn't revert it (and at the moment it looks like no one else has contributed to actual content of this article), and the original authors of this content from the mother page are probably fully aware of OR/citing sources problems.  Also, if you look at the original page Ethnic stereotypes in American media, you'll see in the introduction paragraph that people were writing about stereotypes with a tone of exposing racial stereotyping in the media, rather than one of maliciously attacking each of the ethnicities, so I doubt anyone would revert an article that sounds racist out of context.  --Drenched 17:37, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Userfying just means that the artcle's contens were transferred to your userspace, as they will likely be deleted from mainspace. I userfied the contents as a good faith effort that you'll try to address the issue from a scholarly and NPOV perspective.   hoopydink  Conas tá tú? 22:23, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay. Thanks for the good faith effort, but there's no need to keep this page in my userspace if you all want to delete it.  I am not very invested in this page; like I said before, I have nothing to do with the contents; I just happen to be the person moving preexisting content, and I have no intention of personally researching this topic further to create scholarly content.  I do think that the topic itself is valid and researchable and should have its own article, but I have no interest in writing it.  So if you all want to delete it and not have an article until someone comes up with scholarly content, that's fine with me. That being said, can someone please tell me how to delete things from my userspace? --Drenched 22:43, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
 * You can just put the db-owner tag on the top of the page and an administrator will delete it for you. I've already gone ahead and placed the tag on the user page.   hoopydink  Conas tá tú? 02:41, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete Promotes anti-semitism in current form. DaturaS 18:16, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete Thinly veiled poison. What's the point of it? Byrgenwulf 21:29, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep per User:Drenched. The intent of the article is valid (documenting stereotypes of Jews in media, literature, etc.).  However, the current content is absolutely unacceptable as it stands.  Clean it up and quickly. --Richard 02:33, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete Unredeemably silly.--Runcorn 21:25, 19 July 2006 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.