Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Steve Collins (baseball)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. (non-admin closure) buff  bills  7701  16:53, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

Steve Collins (baseball)

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Non-notable minor league baseball player, no exceptional reliable sources to pass GNG; Google News only shows passing mentions. Wizardman 03:38, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Baseball-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000(talk) 16:00, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000(talk) 16:00, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000(talk) 16:00, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep We Would Have Played Forever is not an exceptional reliable source for what reason? Did you read the book? Is a google search the only criteria for whether an article has reliable sources or not? The former Google News Archive had many relevant articles from old sporting papers that are no longer freely available on the web. The fate of the Google News Archive itself should give you some clue as to the misplaced wisdom of tying notability to ephemeral web searches. Collins was a three time minor league all star while he was a player-manager. I wouldn't say that that is in any way "non-notable". It sounds fairly exceptional to me. If that wasn't enough, the team he was managing made it to the championships all three years and took the crown in one of them. He is one of the few player-managers to excel at both jobs. I do note that at the time of the creation of this article being a minor league manager was one of the criteria for baseball notability as was being a minor league all star. The nominator himself edited this page in 2008 and saw no need to nominate it for deletion back then because it was notable by the standards of 2008. Notability should be fixed. The fact that notability seems to rest on the shifting sands of editors' whims is one of the main reasons many people leave this project. Baseball Reference's Bullpen has had their notability standards established from day one and has found no reason to change them which may be why their small crew of editors has been much more fanatical and devoted than the editors on this project. Kinston eagle (talk) 16:08, 24 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep AfDs like this are really tough. He doesn't directly meet the commonly cited WP:BASEBALL/N guidelines, but that doesn't necessarily mean he requires a delete. Based on his accomplishments and body of work as a player and manager, it is likely he was covered relatively substantially during his playing days - but with a name like "Steve Collins", it would be rather difficult to find corroborating sources with any ease. In part based on Kinston eagle's argument above, I would err to a keep just to be on the safe side. Alex (talk) 23:06, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
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