Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Steve Forward


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The result was delete. Stifle (talk) 11:15, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

Steve Forward

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Non-notable session musician, the article is refbombed, with many citations that don't even mention the subject at all and nary an example of significant coverage in a secondary reliable source (although citation #10, to an offline magazine, may be one example). I wasn't able to find anything better searching online and on Rock's Backpages. signed,Rosguill talk 22:31, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. signed,Rosguill talk 22:31, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. signed,Rosguill talk 22:31, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Dear Rosguill, Steve Forward is not a session musician, but a recording engineer and record producer living in France since 30 years. He was nominated for the "victoires de la musique" (french equivalent to the Grammy´s) in 1998 and 2002. I saw another Steve Forward on the internet, a guitarist, living in the UK; maybe there is a confusion. On the french version of google, I can find further information about him. i.e. there is a new interview for a book called "Studios de legende: que sont devenus nos abbey road francais ?", book published by Malpaso-Radio Caroline Media. Zebulon28 (talk) 09:40, 29 August 2020 (UTC) Zebulon28
 * If it's a 1-to-1 comparison to the Grammy's, then I'd say that being nominated doesn't count for much. Can you find any coverage of him in an independent source (not an interview) that is more than a sentence or two long? signed,Rosguill talk 15:29, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

I have copies of articles (press articles from 1990 which are more than 2 sentences and cover his work during this period) but they can’t be found on the internet. There was no internet at that time. How can I send them to you ? Zebulon28 (talk) 17:52, 29 August 2020 (UTC) Zebulon28
 * , either transcribe relevant portions here, or you can reply to the email I just sent you through the "email this user" service and attach documents there. signed,Rosguill talk 17:56, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your rapid reply. I send you an email with the articles from my personal email. Zebulon28 (talk) 18:26, 29 August 2020 (UTC) Zebulon28
 * Ok, looking through those two sources, the Sound Check article is another pure Q&A that can't be considered independent. The Home Studio piece also has a Q&A portion, but it opens with some more independent coverage up front. I can't find any info about the publication, but given that it's a print magazine, I'm leaning toward giving it the benefit of the doubt. Overall I think we're still a bit short of GNG, but in a better position than before I had seen that coverage. signed,Rosguill talk 18:44, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your feedback. You will find hereafter links to french internet pages where Steve Forward is also referenced. I mistakenly thought that Q&A interviews were more relevant. As soon that I have a little more free time, I will try to find you some more references. https://www.sounddesigners.org/fr/item/112-steve-forward-ingenieur-du-son-et-realisateur.html https://en-contact.com/la-mort-dorion-cest-un-grand-disque-cbe-cest-quoi/ (bottom of the page) https://podcloud.fr/podcast/autreradioautreculture/episode/steve-forward Zebulon28 (talk) 14:19, 31 August 2020 (UTC) Zebulon28
 * Those sources don't look reliable. Sound Designers appears to be a crowdsourced website, En Contact seems to be a PR firm, and the podcast seems like a self-published source. signed,Rosguill talk 14:31, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: We've seen this before. Sound engineers don't get much written about them, so there's no WP:RS, so they don't meet WP:N. But, let's see if another week allows somebody to come up with some better sources.
 * Delete I’ve looked at this article several times in recent weeks. I guess it’s often hard for a producer to show notability, but it seems that while his work is verifiable, it’s not notable by our standards. Mccapra (talk) 05:07, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- RoySmith (talk) 23:18, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete - we have deleted many articles about producers who are either run of the mill or don't get much coverage. Bearian (talk) 11:20, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails WP:GNG due to a complete lack of WP:SIGCOV in independent reliable sources. Just a WP:RUNOFTHEMILL producer. Newshunter12 (talk) 17:53, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete Run of the mill producer that doesn't pass WP:GNG due to lacking multiple in-depth reliable sources about them. --Adamant1 (talk) 06:35, 21 September 2020 (UTC)


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