Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Steve Took's Horns


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. (non-admin closure)  B E C K Y S A Y L E S  09:44, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

Steve Took's Horns

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This articles citations consist heavily of references to the fansite Stevetook.mercurymoon.co.uk (not reliable and probably not independent), to a book called "Blow It" which does not seem to exist on Google Books, a link to Archive.classicrockmagazine.com which I could not verify, and to a link to an empty page. I was not able to find non-trivial discussion of the subject in independent reliable verifiable secondary sources— lots of fancruft, but not reliable published sources, which is what this article needs in order to be retained. Anyone? KDS4444 (talk) 07:43, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
 * "Blow It" is the CD album release on Cherry Red Records. Citation clearly states that the liner notes are the source (and that it is not in any way a "book") 2.26.165.35 (talk) 13:55, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. NewYorkActuary (talk) 03:55, 11 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions. NewYorkActuary (talk) 03:55, 11 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep or merge to Steve Peregrin Took. The notable members make it worth including somewhere. There doesn't seem to be a lot of coverage, so if it was trimmed to sourceable encyclopedic content it may not need much more than current section in the Took article. --Michig (talk) 07:08, 11 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep - As noted on talk page, satisfies WP:BAND "Is an ensemble which contains two or more independently notable musicians - (1) Steve Peregrin Took, (2) Trev Thoms. This is noted in the opening paragraph."  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.26.165.35 2.26.165.35 (talk) 14:21, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep - Argument for deletion is badly flawed, if "book" is actually liner of CD (and correctly cited complete with catalogue number etc) then perhaps it is not surprising that it is not on Google Books! 95.148.20.75 (talk) 22:00, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep like other editors say, it passes WP:BAND for notable musicians. Also, despite the personalised band name, Steve Took article *not* necessarily the obvious candidate for a merge/redirect; also good case for Inner City Unit as Horns were a progenitor for ICU as the band that brought Trev & Dino together.  Come to that, Trev Thoms article would also be an option. Since rival options exist for where to relocate this data, obvious solution is to keep the independent article (which is why the "two or more notable musicians" rule exists) Romomusicfan (talk) 08:49, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment The above point regarding CD booklet notes as a source got me wondering about album sleevenotes as sources generally. So I checked the Reliablity of Sources noticeboard and turned up a couple of threads which are both reasonably positive.
 * Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_26
 * Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_23
 * It's worth also mentioning that Cherry Red Records who put the CD out have a book-publishing wing and so are acutely aware of the legalities of publishing. So it's reasonable to suppose that they would subject a CD booklet to the same editorial/legal scrutiny that they would with a book before publishing it. Romomusicfan (talk) 09:29, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
 * And another thing: the Classic Rock reference does correctly cite the edition and page number of the print edition of the review (as well as a retrieval date) so should be considered valid - perhaps the URL should be binned and it should be made just a print edition reference. Also cheers to the person who fixed the Funtopia reference to link to the Wayback Machine archive version - perhaps the original print ref for this too should be quoted (Forced Exposure #11, winter 1987. Larry Wallis interview by Nigel Cross)
 * So overall, we have four sources - a CD booklet from big indie label Cherry Red Records and three references to Wiki-notable journals (Melody Maker, Classic Rock, Forced Exposure) and it passes WP:BAND too. Romomusicfan (talk) 09:12, 15 June 2016 (UTC)


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