Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Steven Craig Brown


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. TravellingCari 19:22, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Steven Craig Brown

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Repeated recreation today under various names (Dave E. Crockett) being one. Usernames suggest this is being written by subject himself. No real notability, unsourced. Probable COI violation. Tan  &#124;   39  17:04, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Notability in the entertainment industry, specifically radio and broadcasting. It was also submitted under the name Dave E. Crockett as that is the professional name used. There are links to various radio stations relevant to the career path, cities, history etc. I would rather you leave this up as a biographical reference to former listeners who wonder "What ever happened to ---" Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.136.91.254 (talk) 17:13, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Also Tan -- Help me understand the issue. I would rather be listed (yes, self authored) as Dave E. Crockett. Does the fact that I wrote it myself and did not try to hide that make the entry less relevant? I'm trying to abide by the rules. This is after all a source for information, no matter how trivial it may seem to you or the other moderators. Keeping that in mind I would say that a person who worked at 20 radio stations and has appeared on network TV in prime-time would be slightly relevant. Or at least a curiosity. This isn't the bio from just "some guy in the neighborhood." It represents a career span of 30+ years broadcasting in Boston, Atlanta, Chicago and Houston. Cities that make up of 28 million listeners! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.136.91.254 (talk) 17:24, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Please read WP:COI (you have an obvious conflict of interest, COI editing involves contributing to Wikipedia in order to promote your own interests or those of other individuals, companies, or groups), WP:BIO (A person is presumed to be notable if he or she has been the subject of published secondary source material which is reliable, intellectually independent, and independent of the subject), WP:OR (Wikipedia does not publish original research or original thought. This includes unpublished facts, arguments, speculation, and ideas; and any unpublished analysis or synthesis of published material that serves to advance a position), and WP:V (The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth—that is, whether readers are able to check that material added to Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source, not whether we think it is true). Essentially, this article does not meet Wikipedia policy on multiple fronts. Just because you think you are notable does not mean you meet the requirements for inclusion on Wikipedia. Tan   &#124;   39  17:28, 28 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete Overlooking the COI issue, there are the WP:RS and WP:BIO issues that are not so easily overlooked. Ecoleetage (talk) 18:26, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Tan- I see a lot or radio stations who are promoting themselves with Wki as are there many musicians. Please look at LARRY LUJACK and explain the difference between his WIKI and mine. Thanks.
 * The nature of Wikipedia means that you cannot make a convincing argument based solely on what other articles do or do not exist; because there is nothing stopping anyone from creating any article. Plenty of articles exist that probably should not. Equally, because articles must wait for someone who is interested in the subject to notice they are missing before they are created, a lot of articles do not exist that probably should. So just pointing out that an article on a similar subject exists does not prove that the article in question should also exist; it is quite possible that the other article should also be deleted but nobody has noticed it and put it forward for AfD yet. Comparisons can be highly subjective, and so it is better to look at the debates in question and see what policies were cited and make an argument based on how they apply to the current debate than just say "x was kept so this should be too". This is also coupled with the fact that your main focus seems to be promoting yourself - you are concerned that other radio stations are doing it, and want a piece of the pie. We are not here for your promotion. Tan   &#124;   39  23:17, 28 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete. For "self-effacing" read "self-promoting". &mdash; RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 09:12, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete No assertion of notability.  Dloh  cierekim  00:20, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Tan- Under the guidelines of WIKI ANY biographical input would have to be considered "self promoting" then. Even your page promotes your "self interests." You belong to some group in Arizona and have posted other articles on Wiki. Isn't that "self promoting" to talk about YOUR deeds and YOUR interests? I don't follow your logic on what constitutes COI or "self promoting." Seems very random to me. SCB
 * Mr. Brown, my page is my "user page". See WP:USER. The "some group" I belong to in Arizona is the Wikipedia Arizona Project, a group of editors who contribute to articles related to Arizona. You'll notice I have never once attempted to edit an actual mainspace page with information about myself. You say "under the guidelines of WIKI ANY biographical input would have to be considered self promoting". Well, I assume you mean, under the guidelines of WP:BIO, and then it's only if that person is doing the editing. Biographies are written by third parties. Autobiographies, which are not allowed here, are written by the subject. Do you see the difference? Accusing me of being self-promoting is either a laughable, shameless ploy, or you really do have no understanding of what Wikipedia is, how it works, and refuse to educate yourself about it using all the links to policy and guidelines I have provided. Clearly I am not the only one here - we have three other editors who have chimed in with a resounding delete. Even if someone else wrote this article, you do not meet the notability guidelines for inclusion here, and everyone, unfortunately, is not entitled to a Wikipedia page. Frankly, Mr. Brown, you are simply Just Another Radio DJ. Until you can show that you solidly meet one of the explicit criteria for notability set forth in WP:BIO, your page will not have a place here. I'm sorry. Tan   &#124;   39  15:15, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Tan - Your point is well taken and you are correct on the "Biography" versus "Autobiographical" argument. If my page has to go, it has to go. SCB

Tan - One quick question... Under the KHMX page my name is listed (Dave E. Crockett) under "former Jocks." Is it possible to link a Bio page to that ? SCB


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