Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Steven Crayn


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. --MCB (talk) 04:51, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Steven Crayn

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Borderline notability with only myspace as an external ref. Article has been deleted three times, but never with any associated discussion (once prod, once userfied, once speedied). The user is complaining about wrongful deletion in their edit summaries, I nominate this now with the best intention of making sure they get an answer once and for all. Roleplayer (talk) 16:54, 11 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment from creator Re possible deletion of Steven Crayn —Preceding unsigned comment added by This is my truth (talk • contribs) 13:52, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

It seems a lot of you have missed the point re labels, artists like to take control these days and with downloading taking over this artist (as you can check if you follow the links) has an album released on iTunes and a single on HMV and is also a graduate of the London College of Music, something else you keep deleting.

The albums title track was featured not in any old TV Ad but a worldwide campaign featuring the most famous or infamous supermodel on the planet Kate Moss advertising for the biggest cosmetic company on the planet Rimmel, made by the fourth largest Ad Agency in the world which is also the UK's oldest Ad Agency JWT

I'm sorry if I appeared rude but the deletions so far reflect a bias on your part against this artist which is unfair and as someone who rates his music has annoyed me.

I stand by my Wikepedia entries and you would be wrong to remove them as it is not a press release, this is an artist worthy of mention in the digital music age. —Preceding unsigned comment added by This is my truth (talk • contribs) 13:46, 14 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment from creator Re possible deletion of Steven Crayn


 * Seems like you are some sort of power trip Roleplayer with your quote "best intention of making sure they get an answer once and for all" sounds like some sort of witchfinder general!


 * Isn't a musician with an album out on iTunes and a song featured in a TV Ad Campaign featuring the worlds most famous supermodel ie Kate Moss worthy of a page? or are some of Wikepedia gestapo users on a mission to get rid of free speeech?


 * As for only one external ref I could have put on one to iTunes but the increasing complexity of what you can and cannot put on Wikipedia meant i left it off as you Americans are so paranoid when it comes to some imagined court case!


 * Wikepedia often states "Don't worry too much about being perfect. Very few of us are! Just in case you are not perfect, click here to see how you can avoid making common mistakes".


 * Seems some of you like Roleplayer and others think you are above reproach and can delete things at will which makes you look foolish!


 * User:This Is My Truth 5.15pm GMT March 11 2008 London,England
 * Note: Trust me nominating it this way is the nice approach. I could've done it without discussion via WP:PROD or WP:CSD and then you don't get a definitive answer as to why it's being deleted.  We can't delete things at will, which is why we have this process that we're going through now.  Please bear in mind our policy on personal attacks when leaving messages for people in the future, and also bear in mind that while the Wikipedia owners may be American, its users come from all over the world. -- Roleplayer (talk) 18:17, 11 March 2008 (UTC) (about 40 miles from London, England)
 * Comment User has been warned to assume good faith. Comments like "gestapo" are far outside civility policy. --Dhartung | Talk 18:19, 11 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete. The only source I found is this, but I think it's a press release. It indicates that this artist is not signed to a label, and it seems that the fact that a television ad uses one of his songs is the only claim to notability, which doesn't meet the notability standard. No prejudice against recreation if this artist becomes notable in the future. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 17:42, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. After looking on Google he doesn't seem to be notable. Cxz111 (talk) 17:45, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. No attribution of notability to independent sources; fails WP:MUSIC. Lack of an iTunes link ... really has no bearing on whether we keep this material or not. --Dhartung | Talk 18:18, 11 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Deleteagree with Dhartung fills no criteria for WP:MUSIC.Coffeepusher (talk) 19:09, 11 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.   — Paul Erik  (talk) (contribs) 01:49, 12 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment as to WP:N: This search indicates that there are two articles written about him in the Grimsby Evening Telegraph. Unfortunately I am not able to access the full text of the articles to better assess how in-depth the coverage is (they both talk about the Kate Moss ad), but perhaps someone else could? -- Paul Erik (talk) (contribs) 01:57, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment are two articles in a local paper going to be enough? -- Roleplayer (talk) 19:59, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
 * comment if it is about the kate moss add, then it falls under WP:COATRACK Coffeepusher (talk) 15:53, 14 March 2008 (UTC)


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