Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Steven Dale Green (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Mahmudiyah rape and killings. And locked Spartaz Humbug! 00:38, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

Steven Dale Green
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Procedural nomination of declined CSD G4 (recreation). I am not taking a position on this myself either way. The article failed AfD in 2009 on the grounds of BLP1E. The decision was upheld at DRV in 2014 but with no objection to recreation with new material. As far as I can tell, the only things that are substantially different are that the subject is now dead and that there have been a number of writings about him both academic and a play inspired by his life. However, all of these still essentially stem from the one event. The passage of time and the changed circumstances call for a new review at AfD rather than a speedy deletion. SpinningSpark 00:10, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga (talk &bull;&#32;mail) 00:11, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Iraq-related deletion discussions. Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga (talk &bull;&#32;mail) 00:11, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
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 * Locked redirect to Mahmudiyah rape and killings Duplicative of that article's section and generally poor and unfocused writing in this article, which there is no need for a sole article of the subject.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 03:49, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
 * , you said the article has "generally poor and unfocused writing". But hasn't policy said that, with very rare exceptions, decisions on whether to delete, keep or redirect articles, should be based on the notability of the topic, itself?  Doesn't policy call for weak articles on genuinely notable topics to be flagged for improvement -- not deleted?  Unlike his comrades lots of RS have written about Green in contexts that transcend the Mahmudiyah incident.  I suggest that is all that is required to establish his independent notability.  Geo Swan (talk) 03:48, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Locked redirect to Mahmudiyah rape and killings Concur with "Nate". No reason to repeat all this and risk having the accounts differ.-- Georgia Army Vet Contribs Talk 16:44, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Redirect (locked) to Mahmudiyah rape and killings. WP:BIO1E not independentally notable from Mahmudiyah rape and killings.Icewhiz (talk) 11:40, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Locked redirect per the preceding comments, with which I agree. A clear case of WP:BIO1E. Narky Blert (talk) 14:52, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep -- I was the one who put in place an updated version of this article.
 * Unlike his comrades, I suggest Green is of interest to readers for reasons beyond his involvement with the Mahmudiyah incident.
 * There is a widely staged play whose main character is based on Green., whose G4 triggered this procedural AFD, called it a "non-notable play" in a talk page comment prior to their nomination.  His or her opinion is at odds with the American Theatre Critics Association, who awarded the playwright a prestigious award.  People may come to the wikipedia to read about Green, because of the play, and have little interest in the Mahmudiyah incident.
 * Unlike his comrades Green was allowed to enlist in the army after a criminal conviction, but only after a "Moral waiver". These moral waivers have generated controversy.  Some readers may come here due to an interest in these moral waivers, and have little interest in the Mahmudiyah incident.
 * At his trial distinguished experts were at odds over whether brain scans showed he enlisted with brain damage which would have left him with impulse control issues. There are other serial killers who were later found to have brain damage, like Charles Whitman, the Texas Tower Shooter.  For readers who want to read about Green's brain damage the Mahmudiyah incident may hold little interest.
 * Green was charged under the Military Extraterritorial Jurisdiction Act. Charges and convictions under this act are very rare.  ABC News reported he was the "first American soldier charged and convicted" under the act.  Since Green is one of just a handful of individuals convicted under the act, reader may very well come to the wikipedia to read about those convicted under the act, and, for them, the Mahmudiyah incident may hold little interest.
 * When a topic is related to multiple other topics, merging the article on that topic into one of the articles it is related to, is always going to be the less optimal choice. Geo Swan (talk) 03:36, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

*Locked redirect. The first AfD was a proper close. While DRV didn't oppose recreation, but nothing more notable has actually happened. Niteshift36 (talk) 14:23, 20 February 2018 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.