Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Steven Schussler


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. Spartaz Humbug! 14:22, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Steven Schussler

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Delete. Lacks significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. While most of the article focuses on the company that the subject started, little else focuses on the subject of the article. The lede (two sentences) are all that mention the subject, and these two sentences are a copyvio/close paraphrase of http://thebulletin.us/articles/2010/12/13/business/columns/marc_kramer/doc4d06576e4ac0c034616498.txt Regards,   Cind.  amuse  09:20, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - This is not a biography, it is an article about a chain of restaurants with some brief mentions of the person who started the franchise. An interview in one local newspaper interview is not  significant  coverage and clearly does not  assert notability. The page reads like and advert and  such entrepreneurs are not a rarity these days. --Kudpung (talk) 09:32, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Undo the recent redirect of Rainforest Cafe, keep Steven Schussler as redirect to Rainforest Cafe. The chain is notable (almost 4,000 hits at Google News archives in papers all over the country, going back more than 10 years))(Some examples from the first three pages of the search results:)  Google Books and Google Scholar also turn up assorted discussions of this chain in academically-oriented literature (examples:) among the thousands of hits. It is less obvious that Mr. Schussler is separately notable.  The Rainforest Cafe article has existed since 2004; it has been tagged as spam, but recent drafts of the article were less spammy, and in light of the extensive third party coverage of the chain there is no reason that a neutrally-worded article can't or shouldn't be maintained.  --Arxiloxos (talk) 15:55, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment. I totally agree. The redirect from the Rainforest Cafe should definitely be removed. I see no rationale for creation of the redirect in the first place. Remove the copy/paste content (currently in the Schussler article) that was taken from Rainforest Cafe, remove the redirect, and restore the article. Redirect the Steven Schussler article to the Rainforest Cafe until such time as someone can create an article without copying from other articles both on and off Wikipedia.  Cind. amuse  22:22, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep First, paraphrasing is not copyvio, that's why we paraphrase; and the article is about Schussler's book. While we could keep both articles, we shouldn't delete this one, since he's notable for other things besides the cafe.  Schussler has significant coverage in RS, as shown by the source already provided. Here is another.  More can be provided, .  As I said when creating the page, the Cafe material can be included till someone develops it to be too big for the article; and another option is to have both articles.  Here's a quote showing he does other things "That seasonal eatery is owned by Steve Schussler, a multi-millionaire restaurant creator who also developed the Rainforest Cafe concept." .  The source I used in the article stub is a really good RS focusing on his book.  So in summary, we could have two articles, or we could have one for the sake of neatness.  But this one shouldn't be deleted.  Here are other sources showing him independently notable: , , , .  If this is showing anything, it's that both articles should be kept, considering our further research. BE——Critical __Talk 20:18, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment. There is a fine line between copyright infringement and close paraphrasing. You may want to revisit and review those two issues. That said, the Steven Schussler article is not about his self-published book. Only one sentence even mentions the book. This is an article about a restaurant chain attempting to dance around as a biography. Makes me think of an emperor lacking clothing as he skips along the promenade. Sorry, I ain't buying it. Remove the content sliced from the Rainforest Cafe, along with the lede snipped from The Bulletin (Philly newspaper), and the Steven Schussler article would basically be blanked. Honestly, while I thought to bring this article to discussion, it also would have been appropriate for an A10 deletion. No harm; no foul.  Cind. amuse  22:22, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Where are hardline editors like you when I want an article deleted? But we don't delete for lack of development in an article, but for other reasons, such as lack of notability, and I believe I demonstrated notability above.  I see what you mean about A10, but you nominated an article created late at night on the very next day... and it's New Years.  C'mon dude. And the cafe information belongs in his bio, because it's a large part of what he's notable for. BE——Critical __Talk 00:17, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I entirely support Cindamuse's rationale. The author seems to be confused as to what is a biography, and an article about a company. In either case, notability is not established for this article whatever time of the year it might be. Kudpung (talk) 20:29, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
 * That's nonsense. Did you read the sources I gave above?  All you need to do is establish "If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to satisfy the inclusion criteria for a stand-alone article or stand-alone list."  I did that above. BE——Critical __Talk 21:03, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spartaz Humbug! 09:37, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep - I did some digging on him and found several mentions in reliable third party sources:
 * Minneapolis Star Tribune
 * A Bio here (may be borderline reliable)
 * Third party coverage of his book (review, I have issues with reviews...)
 * Press release from him but it talks about a Food Network show called "24 Hour Restaurant Battle". Might be able to glean something from that.
 * An interview on WCIU-TV --Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 19:58, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions.  -- Jclemens-public (talk) 00:36, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 19:31, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.