Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Stick to Your Guns


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The result was   keep. The argument raised by User:Moonriddengirl is apt -- Samir 06:13, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Stick to Your Guns

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not notable; promotional/advertisment Gmatsuda (talk) 23:47, 8 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete- Fails WP:BAND. Trusilver  00:10, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - Safely passes WP:BAND #1. I've added reliable references like Allmusic.com. Strummer25 (talk) 10:57, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - The Allmusic.com reference basically just proves that "yes, the band exists", but does nothing to show any kind of notability aside from that. Trusilver  17:48, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

←*Keep. I'm not sure about some of the references, but of the latest batch I find AP convincing, as the review seems to have been submitted by an editor. With the bulk of other sources, even if some are dubious, I think notability threshold is met. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 14:02, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment: Agree with Trusilver. Allmusic.com is not a reliable source. -- Gmatsuda (talk) 18:27, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment:: Allmusic is widely accepted as a reliable source. It has a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy. I can accept that blogs or myspace pages don't confirm notability, but allmusic.com, or any other established music website should be good enough. Strummer25 (talk) 10:58, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per Trusilver. -- 68.183.104.7 (talk) 12:09, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment Trusilver's argument is wrong. Please read WP:BAND: A musician or ensemble (note that this includes a band, singer, rapper, orchestra, DJ, musical theatre group, etc.) is notable if it meets any one of the following criteria: 1. It has been the subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent from the musician/ensemble itself and reliable I've added 2 reviews, one from allmusic, one from metalreview. The sources are reliable. Criterion 1 is fulfilled, therefore the band is notable. Strummer25 (talk) 12:22, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Question: With a staff of professional writers, Allmusic meets WP:RS quite handily, which is why they are so widely mirrored in other industry websites like billboard.com. But notability requires multiple sources; Allmusic is slightly watered down in that regard because of their willingness to receive and review any commercially available cd. (See their submission guideline.) They aren't selective. Metal Review looks like a really well done fansite. I don't see any sign that the staff is professional or that there's editorial control. WP:N, which is the parent guideline of WP:MUSIC, notes that "The number and nature of reliable sources needed varies depending on the depth of coverage and quality of the sources." I'd consider metalreview.com a dubious source, which would mean more numbers would be helpful. Are there newspaper articles or magazine coverage that you know of? The band's name is unfortunately a common phrase, so I've come up with a ton of false hits. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 12:31, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Answer: Just added 6 more reviews of their album as references. Strummer25 (talk) 12:54, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, let's look at those. :) is a WP:SPS, so they won't serve. They accept reviews from anyone. I've removed them accordingly. Antenna looks promising, given the self-professed credentials of the editor-in-chief, though I'm not familiar with the publication. Asice is not selective: "we will try to give our honest opinion on everything that comes in. Just send it to the contact address and we'll put it on the list." Blistering.com is a questionable source because it's promotional, selling product. The others look to be the same sort of thing as Metal Review--well done fansites. So we've got allmusic (marginally usable; reliable, but nonselective) and Antenna (giving it the benefit of the doubt) on the reliable, though perhaps not stellar for demonstrating WP:N, side. More dubious, but potentially helpful in aggregate (imho): metalband, punkbands and machinegun.funk. Not helpful: blistering.com and asice. At this point, I'm personally leaning towards weak keep, but before making up my own mind, I'd hope to see some feedback from individuals who might be more personally familiar with Antenna or the other publications. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 13:19, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment I've added 5 more references, including Alternative Press. Strummer25 (talk) 13:50, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep, passes WP:MUSIC.   Esradekan Gibb    "Talk" 17:20, 10 December 2008 (UTC)


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