Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Street Radio


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Only one editor wants to keep this.  Sandstein  20:55, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

Street Radio

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None of the claims in this article that would indicate notability have credible sources.


 * The coverage that Street Radio got in Vibe Magazine does exist, but it was an extremely brief mention that doesn't establish notability -- you can see it here (page 46).
 * I can't find any evidence of Street Radio being covered by Plateau Magazine. In fact, I can't find any information online whatsoever about Plateau Magazine -- I don't know for sure that it even exists.
 * The sources on MTV.com and datpiff.com have no mention of Street Radio that I can find (well, one of the two MTV.com sources is a dead link; don't know about that one).
 * discogs.com, uncutmagazine.net (to be clear: no affiliation with the British Uncut (magazine)), and hiphopdx.com all do not constitute reliable sources.

I can't speak to the accuracy of the claims that Street Radio did produce the tracks that this article says they produced with Jay-Z, 50 Cent, etc -- at least some of those credits do appear on sites like discogs.com and allmusic.com, but I'm not sure how reliable/trustworthy those sites are. It's a bit irrelevant though -- notability requires having significant coverage in multiple reliable sources. Having a handful of production credits isn't enough, nor is the tiny mention in Vibe magazine. Unless more reliable sources can be found (and I've really really looked), I just don't think there's enough evidence of notability here. Iago Qnsi (talk) 04:37, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
 * FYI, I've also started an AfD for the related article J. Math. - Iago Qnsi (talk) 04:40, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - references on the page look thin and I can't see anything else anywhere which suggests subject meets the GNG. JMWt (talk) 14:19, 26 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep

Wiki says "Musicians or ensembles (this category includes bands, singers, rappers, orchestras, DJs, musical theatre groups, instrumentalists, etc.) may be notable if they meet at least one of the following criteria:"

- Has had a single or album on any country's national music chart.

Criteria satisfied - Street Radio produced “I Like The Way She Do It” by G-Unit on the Interscope released album T.O.S. This track was also released as a single on CD and vinyl. The song placed on the Billboard “Hot 100” chart and the “R&B/Hip-Hop” chart. The billboard charts also list K. Smith and J. Matthews, pka Street Radio, as songwriters for the song.

- Has had a record certified gold or higher in at least one country.

Criteria satisfied - Street Radio produced “9mm” off of Bone Thugs N Harmony’s Strength and Loyalty album, which is certified gold by the RIAA.

- Has released two or more albums on a major record label or on one of the more important indie labels (i.e., an independent label with a history of more than a few years, and with a roster of performers, many of whom are independently notable).

Criteria satisfied - Street Radio has produced music on multiple major record labels, including the before mentioned Bone Thugs N Harmony’s “9mm” and G-Unit’s “I Like The Way She Do It”, both of which are commercial releases by the major record label Interscope Records. Street Radio has also produced music on multiple independent record labels that have a history of more than a few years with a roster of performances of whom are independently notable. For example, they produced Foxy Brown’s “Brooklyn’s Don Diva” and Wu Tang’s “Start The Show,” both of which are available on Koch/E1 Records.

While Wiki says musicians are notable if they meet at least one of the criteria, I have included three satisfied criteria above. I have also listed links to reputable sources like www.billboard.com and www.riaa.com. I have also listed another reputable source (www.spin.com) to the page itself. Kairaba (talk) 04:52, 27 October 2016 (UTC)Kairaba

Comment: no, the policy doesn't say that "musicians are notable if they meet at least one of the criteria" it says that they may be notable as judged by those criteria. And anyway, I don't see that musicians are necessarily the same thing as the producers of that music. Of the information presented above, the third point seems to me to be strongest, although it would need to be verified as being accurate. JMWt (talk) 07:01, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I agree with JMWt; those criteria are for musicians, not for producers. I think for a producer to be considered notable, they would have to have significant coverage beyond just their production credits. - Iago Qnsi (talk) 13:52, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

Comment: Good point about producers and musicians not being the same thing. In this case, however, the producers are also the musicians. Hip_hop_production is distinctly different from traditional producers in that it "encompasses all aspects of the music" and so hip hop producers are more aligned with being instrumentalists, in that they create all the music while the rapper writes and performs the lyrics. Instrumentalists are listed among musicians in the Wiki description of "musicians or ensembles."

Because hip hop producers are instrumentalists but are also credited as being composers and co-writers, they blend the line between "Musicians or ensembles (this category includes bands, singers, rappers, orchestras, DJs, musical theatre groups, instrumentalists, etc.)" and "composers/song writers." Under the notability standards for composers, Wiki says "Composers, songwriters, librettists or lyricists, may be notable if they meet at least one of the following criteria: Has credit for writing or co-writing either lyrics or music for a notable composition." I attempted to address this alternative or complementary perspective by noting that the members of Street Radio are listed by name as co-writers on all the tracks they have produced as well as being credited for production. Musicians are rarely given writers credit or any ownership over the music, while hip hop producers are very often given writers credit and most commonly own 50% of the music. I tried to make this distinction by adding in the text that "Street Radio produced and co-wrote..." when referring to their biggest commercial releases. In summary, Hip Hop producers are essentially musicians and composers/song writers.

In reference to point 3 being accurate, I think the best verification is the liner notes of the albums themselves. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to locate a site that shows scanned album liner notes. Sites like discogs.com and allmusic.com are some of the most reputable sources for liner note information, and I included links to these sites on the page. Does anyone have recommendations or information regarding better sources for liner notes? Kairaba (talk) 16:17, 27 October 2016 (UTC)Kairaba

Update: Street Radio (content and sources) has been updated to reflect above comments. Kairaba (talk) 02:26, 31 October 2016 (UTC)Kairaba  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, GeoffreyT2000  ( talk,  contribs ) 23:32, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - I reviewed the references and found very little about the subject, not enough to indicate notability.--Rpclod (talk) 01:48, 5 November 2016 (UTC)

Keep - Page has been updated with more references including Spin Magazine, Scratch Magazine, and Source Magazine, as well as a number of Billboard charts and RIAA certification. Subject of page meets multiple criteria for notability and has produced music for a significant number of notable artists. Subject has also produced a number of singles that placed on the Billboard Top 200 as well as Billboard international charts. Subjects have produced work for gold certified album "Strength and Loyalty." and references have been updated on this as well. Page has also been updated to include quotes from interviews with Street Radio that were not previously included. These interviews are from reputable hip-hop websites like Sohh.com and Hiphopdx.com.

Robust changes have been made to the main page. Please refer to the page itself for further info. The protocol to show notability has been satisfied in a variety of ways. Thanks for everyone's comments and questions, as it made me dig deeper and ultimately improve the quality of the page. I referred to dozens of others producers pages who have similar track records as Street Radio, and this page is very strong as a result.

In my experience, Street Radio would be considered mid-level producers (low level producers have produced tracks for notable artists but with no singles, billboard placements or RIAA certification...mid level producers have produced for notable artists and their works have reached Billboard or RIAA status...high level producers are often ASCAP/BMI award winners and mostly produce singles for the upper echelon of artists)

In addition, if anyone is interested, here are other mid-level producers similar to Street Radio: Mura Masa, Knxwledge, Illmind, Knowbody, DJ Dahi, Apollo Brown, Sounwave. There are many, many other notable producers of this caliber on Wiki with no Billboard or RIAA certifications and no singles by major label artists. I know that other people's pages do not serve as justification, but I do think it's important to know the culture of hip hop producers and the context they fit in before being able to determine if they are notable or not. Kairaba (talk) 19:30, 7 November 2016 (UTC)Kairaba


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