Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Strongholds of A Song of Ice and Fire


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   Keep. Editors who feel bold enough to merge are welcome to do so. Pastor Theo (talk) 01:43, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Strongholds of A Song of Ice and Fire

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no third party sources, fails WP:N, never likely to be anything more than collection of fancruft -- The Red Pen of Doom  17:28, 19 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Trim and keep - subject clearly has in-universe notability, and there is no consensus that real world notability is required for fictional topics. Article has excessive detail, but that is an editing problem, not a reason for deletion.  At worst, the material should be merged into a related article; however, in this particular case I feel that such is not the best solution due to the amount of material that can be legitimately covered.  --ThaddeusB (talk) 17:44, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Merging with Cities in A Song of Ice and Fire is also a very reasonable idea since the two topics are very closely related. --ThaddeusB (talk) 17:30, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Trim and merge with Cities in A Song of Ice and Fire. There's definitely too much in here, but some of the places like Winterfell have RS coverage, as do some of the cities like King's Landing. Jclemens (talk) 20:20, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete, it is pure synthesis. Any places with reliable sources can be in the main article(s). Abductive (talk) 02:44, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Then that would be a redirect, not a delete, but still... if everyplace notable was mentioned in the main ASoIaF article, it would be HUGE. WP:SS encourages larger and notable subtopics to be broken out like this... just without this much uncited detail. Jclemens (talk) 16:53, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
 * This AfD nomination was incomplete (missing step 3). It is listed now. DumbBOT (talk) 17:35, 20 July 2009 (UTC)


 * merge with the cities list. Compromise solution. DGG (talk) 19:11, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Cut and keep This contians a lot of useful info but I think it needs cutting down and finding out of universe info and sources. Dr. Blofeld       White cat 19:54, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep or Merge as per ThaddeusB. Edward321 (talk) 14:48, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Redirect along with the Cities page to the primary article. I, along with Werthead and a couple others, are the originators of this and a few other realted articels so we generated most of the content. Now that there is a dedicated wiki for the series this really leans into the realm of cruft. I'd ask that the article be Kept and this AfD Closed so I can have a couple days to do the transwiki then I'll also do the redirect myself. I just don't have the time right now tonight. NeoFreak (talk) 09:28, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
 * They were already transwikied to wikia:asoiaf:Strongholds a while ago. Personally, I'd prefer transwikiing to http://wiki.westeros.org since they have more content (and less ads) over there, but it can be lifted from wikia already, or you can always ask me if any page gets deleted and you want it moved. Amalthea  09:50, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I see, thanks. I haven't been really active in over a year. It was just dumb luck I check this out when I did. In that case I don't see the harm in just redirecting the articles to the main article page. With a simple redirect interested editors can dig any material left out from the history log without having to ask an admin to crack open a deleted article. With the external wiki linked the fan isn't losing anything and wikipedia gets a little cleaner. NeoFreak (talk) 10:04, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Hasn't it been transwikied to http://wiki.westeros.org already? The simple answer is to do both. Having two dedicated SoIaF wikis is probably redundant in the long run, and my plan is to turn the Wikia one into a resource more for the TV series when it launches. That said, the board wiki also experiences frequent technical problems (it's down at this moment of writing, hence why I can't check to see if it's been transwikied or not) which Ran is working on. Transwiking articles that need to be copied to both the board wiki and wikia is probably a good idea to make sure useful information doesn't get lost.--Werthead (talk) 19:35, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah, agree with NeoFreak on temporarily keeping the article so it can be copied out, than Redirect at a later time.--Werthead (talk) 19:35, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.