Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Struggle against political abuse of psychiatry in the Soviet Union


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. After two relistings, no consensus for a particular outcome has emerged within this discussion. Matters regarding the article can continue to be discussed on its talk page if desired, including the notion of a merge. North America1000 10:43, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

Struggle against political abuse of psychiatry in the Soviet Union

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This appears to be a POVfork of Political abuse of psychiatry in the Soviet Union, and the differences are WP:SYN. It is a monograph by a WP:SPA with numerous dodgy or self-published sources, so I think deletion is the correct response rather than an attempt to merge. Guy (Help!) 00:18, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. PriceDL (talk) 01:12, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
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 * Keep a fascinating article, well supported by a large variety of sources. Whilst certainly could be improved - eg for POV or weasel words - it is definitely salvageable. I believe the topic is notable and the article should be kept. --Tom (LT) (talk) 12:48, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
 * See WP:INTERESTING. You do not address the issue at hand, which is that this is a WP:POVFORK. Guy (Help!) 18:50, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
 * You mistake me, . As I state above I believe this is an independently notable topic, ie. more than a POV fork. --Tom (LT) (talk) 23:07, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
 * And I see that most of the edits - almost all, n fact, are by a user:Psychiatrick, and I see POV-pushing. Guy (Help!) 00:48, 4 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Merge / Redirect to Political abuse of psychiatry in the Soviet Union There is a tremendous amount of overlap and duplication between this and the original article. Alansohn (talk) 20:42, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Here is sub-section of this page included in main page: Political_abuse_of_psychiatry_in_the_Soviet_Union. The summary is very brief, and I do not see any significant overlap. My very best wishes (talk) 21:02, 15 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep. Quick examination shows that the page includes a number of sections ("Soviet psychiatric abuse exposed", "Congress in Mexico City", and so on) that are not present on main page, Political abuse of psychiatry in the Soviet Union. Hence this is not a content fork, but a subpage specifically on the subject of "struggle against abuse" rather than abuse itself. Moreover, the entire current content of the page is indeed on the subject of "Struggle against political abuse...", rather than abuse itself. Just another proof this is not a content fork. My very best wishes (talk) 20:53, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
 * In addition, both pages are properly linked (see here). My very best wishes (talk) 20:56, 3 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep as a separate article because it represents an entirely different issue. Psychiatrick (talk) 17:14, 4 January 2018 (UTC) — psychiatrick (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * No, user Psychiatrick is not an WP:SPA, and he made good significant contributions to the project . Telling that page should be deleted because it was created by him is unreasonable. Yes, he created a number of reasonable pages on related subjects because this is area of his expertise and/or interest. This is not a content fork, and not a POV fork. My very best wishes (talk) 16:16, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   12:20, 9 January 2018 (UTC) Keep This article has valuable information and sufficient sources, may be references style change required. Glycomics123 (talk) 08:48, 12 January 2018 (UTC) — Glycomics123 (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
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 * Merge to the general article on the use of psychiatry in the Soviet Union. I have to admit that I question the violation of NPOV rules both in this article and in the more general one on the topic. "Abuse" is a red-flag word for NPOV application. Saying the treatment of a person was abuse is justifiable, saying the use of an academic idea was abuse, to me cheapens the power of the word. Lastly, the whole name furthers the notion that the use of psychiatry for political goals in the Soviet Union was an aberration, ignoring that psychiatric commitment was used to further the goals of some religious groups against others in 19th-century America, and many other questionable uses.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:37, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I do not see any reasonable way to add such huge amount of non-redundant content to main page on the subject. This sub-page has maybe only ~10% overlap with main page if anyone bothers to check.My very best wishes (talk) 21:43, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   09:23, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment I've struck a sock's vote above. Doug Weller  talk 16:01, 17 January 2018 (UTC)


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