Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Stuck (Lindsay Lohan song)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Stifle (talk) 11:16, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Stuck (Lindsay Lohan song)

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No charts, no awards, no cover versions by other artists, no confirmed release, no known songwriters. Permanent stub. Fails WP:NSONGS. &mdash;Kww(talk) 21:19, 30 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment. Actually, a release date and known songwriters are available. A single doesn't necessarily need cover versions or awards. There are plenty of songs on Wikipedia that haven't peaked in any charts. &mdash;Travismullins1996(talk) —Preceding undated comment added 04:48, 31 March 2010 (UTC).
 * Where is a release date available? It isn't in the article, and I haven't found one. As for other articles that fail WP:NSONGS, it's unfortunately true that they exist. I redirect them or nominate them for deletion when I see them.&mdash;Kww(talk) 04:53, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
 * The song was released on March 29, 2010. It's stated in the article. I seen the fake cover art for the single. Should it be deleted since it is fan art and not officially the cover? &mdash;Travismullins1996(talk) 05:12, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Being posted on Perez Hilton isn't a "release". The fake cover art will be deleted automatically in a week.&mdash;Kww(talk) 05:26, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

There's no reason to delete it, the song is new, who would make a cover??? it was released 2 days ago!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.181.66.136 (talk) 15:27, 31 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Strong delete per nomination. Looks like a promo or demo more than anything else. Nymf hideliho! 21:43, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment This article meets the standards set forth by WP:NSONGS: Demos, mixtapes, bootlegs, promo-only, and unreleased albums are in general not notable; however, they may be notable if they have significant independent coverage in reliable sources. The article currently has references to significant independent coverage in reliable sources. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.40.174.101 (talk) 03:07, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment That is in the paragraph discussing albums. Notability standards for albums are considerably lower than they are for songs. Note that charting and awards aren't described as necessary for albums, and articles about future albums are explicitly permitted, while future singles are not.&mdash;Kww(talk) 03:22, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment Um, no. It's in a section titled "Albums, singles, and songs." A single, which has not officially been released but still has considerable coverage from reliable sources, qualifies. I think you've misread the sentence. It is saying that demos, mixtapes, bootlegs, and promo-only (SONGS), along with unreleased ALBUMS ... Your grounds for deletion are shaky at best. 68.40.174.101 (talk) 19:53, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment The complete paragraph is In general, if the musician or ensemble that recorded an album is considered notable, then officially released albums may have sufficient notability to have individual articles on Wikipedia. Demos, mixtapes, bootlegs, promo-only, and unreleased albums are in general not notable; however, they may be notable if they have significant independent coverage in reliable sources. Album articles with little more than a track listing may be more appropriately merged into the artist's main article or discography article, space permitting. It's discussing albums. Songs are covered in the following paragraph.&mdash;Kww(talk) 21:08, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment The section heading is "Albums, singles, and songs." The paragraph you refer to begins with "most songs" meaning it is referring to songs, and not singles. Singles are released independently of a later album; they are often packaged as CDs or individual downloads, have their own release dates, etc. Because the paragraph you mention starts with "songs" means it should not apply to singles; as singles are independent albums, they should be held to those standards and not that of an album cut. This article meets the criteria of an unreleased album. It should stay. Unless of course, you think every page about a single should be removed. I'm not sure why you think this article should be removed, other than a personal vendetta against the artist. 68.40.174.101 (talk) 23:52, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong keep per nomination. Kww has failed to me convince me that this does not meet WP:NSONGS, and in fact, that policy page is designed to protect pages like this. In the best interest of the encyclopedia, put away your dislike for Lohan or whatever convinced you to nominate this page. 68.40.174.101 (talk) 16:39, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment Please stop attacking my motivation for nominating this article (note that I nominate songs that have not charted, been covered or received an award on a regular basis), and focus on justifying why you think a song streamed from a gossip site should be judged using the guidelines for an album.&mdash;Kww(talk) 16:43, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment I have already justified this using WP:NSONGS. Please refer to my previous comment to read that. I am not attacking your motivations -- just questioning them. This single has been discussed in many different legitimate sources, including Vanity Fair and the Washington Post. What is your interest in undermining the public's knowledge? Your argument is chiffon and turns to dust with a casual glance at the policy page you brought up. Perhaps you did not read that before nomination, and only assumed it would strengthen your position. Regardless, you don't have any legitimate ground to stand on here. Please stop wasting other editors' time with this debate; surely your services could be appreciated somewhere else in the encyclopedia. If you cannot remain impartial or unbiased on this topic, you really shouldn't be debating it. 68.40.174.101 (talk) 02:24, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
 * There is not a single reliable source that confirms that it is a single, so stop referring to it as such. As of now it is an unreleased song played at the birthday party of blogger Perez Hilton. Nothing else, nothing more. Nymf hideliho! 12:07, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Take a look at Bossy. It's not been "confirmed" as a single, even though it reads "this has been confirmed a promo single." Stuck is a single, like Bossy is assumed to be, written about in several reliable sources including the Washington Post. Stop trying to minimize it's importance. You nor Kww have facts or sources to support the harsh words you're presenting. 68.40.174.101 (talk) 15:34, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Bossy was released for airplay on May 7, 2008, and digitally released May 27, 2008. It charted on Hot Club Dance Play, where it was number one on the chart, and on the Canadian Hot 100, where it reached 77. That's a clearly different situation, as that song meets any plain reading of WP:NSONGS.&mdash;Kww(talk) 15:52, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
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