Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Students for Sensible Drug Policy


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. This is partially because, after three weeks of this AFD being open, there is no support, other than the nominator, for deleting this article. This closure doesn't mean that there isn't room for improvement and I hope editors will tackle some of the problems pointed out by the nominator. Liz Read! Talk! 03:42, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

Students for Sensible Drug Policy

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Deletion policies 4, and 14. per WP:DEL-REASON Article created with primarily publicity and advertisement purpose thus not suitable. Also, questionable/marginable WP:NCORP. Aside from rev-deleted copy and paste spamming, there has been a lot of SPA/IP promo adverts. Graywalls (talk) 10:20, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Organizations, Politics, Advertising,  and Education. Graywalls (talk) 10:20, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
 * - Note to closer for soft deletion: This nomination has had limited participation and falls within the standards set for lack of quorum. There are no previous AfD discussions, undeletions, or current redirects and no previous PRODs have been located. This nomination may be eligible for soft deletion at the end of its 7-day listing.
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 * --Cewbot (talk) 00:03, 26 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Weak Keep - Scrapes by WP:GNG. Seems like a very active organization with a ton of university chapters, so there are a lot of sources about them in university and local papers (here are some), a lot of stories that briefly mention them for events/activism, etc. Putting those aside, though, there's a journal article about one of its cases (Skarin EA. SSDP v. Spellings: Judiciary Acquiescence of a Law with Racially Discriminatory Effects? Journal of Gender, Race & Justice. 2010;14(1):301-326. Accessed September 26, 2023. https://search.ebscohost.com/login.aspx?direct=true&db=qth&AN=62169915&site=eds-live&scope=site ), some coverage from Filter Magazine, Filter again, High Times, Seattle Times, bits here and there in the Washington Post, Reason covered one of their events, and though it doesn't count for much as far as SIGCOV goes, there is a huge quantity of sources which interview/quote SSDP members (e.g. Washington Post, WaPo again, CBC). It's not a slam dunk, but given the amount of press coverage they're getting on the basis of proliferating student clubs, I'm content to err on the side of keeping for now. &mdash; Rhododendrites  talk \\ 13:02, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
 * We really shouldn't use Filter Mag to establish notability. Look at the info on the publication. It's like using paper industry publication to claim notability to someone that makes cardboard or fan club website to establish the notability of a fictional character. "The Influence Foundation Inc. is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization, founded in New York in 2017. Our mission is to advocate through journalism for rational and compassionate approaches to drug use, drug policy and human rights." What you say is Washington Post is actually The Times UK, so perhaps you mistakenly labeled it wrong, but "Jones is a former board member of Students for Sensible Drug Policy UK (SSDP) which has guided the transformation in universities’ approach to drugs." is not sigcov. The actual WaPo one is not SIGCOV. "Gonzo Nieto, a drug educator and a board member of Canadian Students for Sensible Drug Policy, said...." in CBC not sigcov. Fails NCORP hands down, which requires significant coverage in multiple, independent reliable sources and one source counts as one, one journalist counts as one. At least one of the significant coverage must be of great WP:AUD. Also, are comments posted AFTER the 7 day period admissible??? Graywalls (talk) 20:34, 26 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep per AW Elttaruuu (talk) 17:42, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

*Weak Keep per sources cited by, and comments of, Rhododendrites. A bare-minimum WP:GNG pass. Sal2100 (talk) 19:58, 26 September 2023 (UTC) Relisting comment: For further input, and since both keep !votes are "weak". Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 05:01, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Since the argument is "per xx", my rebuttal argument is the same. The sourcing fails to satisfy WP:NCORP. Graywalls (talk) 06:00, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

*Redirect to Responsible drug use where the organization is referenced, and merge any relevant content there. Revising from my previous !vote of "weak keep" based on the subsequent arguments made by Graywalls. Sal2100 (talk) 20:06, 27 September 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 05:34, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep there seem to be plenty of sources for this organization, just not currently in this article. The article can be improved. As noted above there are recent articles mentioning it too, such as Seattle Times from early Sept. --AW (talk) 22:03, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
 * It's not a significant coverage. It's kind of a routine coverage about groups on the University of Washington campus and there's a few sentences around the SSDP. Graywalls (talk) 22:34, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
 * That's just one example, there are multiple above, and if you google it and choose news, various other articles talk about the group --AW (talk) 22:05, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
 * For example https://qcnerve.com/students-for-sensible-drug-policy-launches-statewide-fellowship/ and https://seattlemedium.com/uw-students-hope-to-popularize-harm-reduction-on-their-campus/ - took me about 2 minutes to find AW (talk) 22:09, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
 * One's an alternative local paper, another is a local paper. This article is about an organization, so it needs to meet WP:NORG, and one of the required criteria to be met is WP:AUD. None of the sources you referenced meet AUD. At least one must, but preferably multiple sources meet WP:AUD and WP:SIGCOV together. The Seattle Times one, although a regional paper is not a significant coverage. Graywalls (talk) 00:25, 4 October 2023 (UTC) Perhaps re-direct is the happy middle. Graywalls (talk) 01:57, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I have a feeling no matter what newspaper source I cite for this org, which has many, you will find some reason why it doesn't matter. This isn't a local organization, but local sources are writing about it, that's not a bad thing. Just above in the discussion we have Seattle Times, you say no, we have Filter, you say no, High Times which is probably the preeminent marijuana magazine you didn't comment on, the two I took 2 minutes to find, you say no. Here's some more I found in about 2 more minutes of searching the web. MLive which is a major one in Michigan https://www.mlive.com/news/ann-arbor/2022/03/university-of-michigan-student-group-wants-ann-arbor-to-fully-decriminalize-drug-possession.html, Reason mag https://reason.com/2022/10/25/outside-the-white-house-protestors-urge-biden-to-release-nonviolent-marijuana-offenders/ Rolling Stone (not directly about SSDP but talks about them) https://www.rollingstone.com/culture-council/articles/cannabis-exceptionalism-drug-reform-movement-1289647/ etc etc etc. Again, these took me seconds to find. And as someone else noted above, a bunch of articles quote SSDP staff in broader articles about the topic. --AW (talk) 20:15, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Here's some more: the Independent https://www.independent.co.uk/student/student-life/health/newcastle-university-students-offered-ps3-drugtesting-kit-students-for-sensible-drug-policy-a7020726.html, Detroit News which talks about SSDP organizing the event the article is about https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2022/03/22/michigan-attorney-general-dana-nessel-speak-ann-arbor-hash-bash/7127379001/, Tampa Bay Times https://www.tampabay.com/news/education/college/usf-launches-student-amnesty-policy-for-overdose-situations/2154376/ AW (talk) 20:19, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Please allow me the full 7 days so I can do a source analysis table. I understand AfDs are not !vote but consensus. Graywalls (talk) 18:23, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
 * still working on it Graywalls (talk) 21:50, 10 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep Revising (again) from my previous !vote to redirect. Based on the sources listed by AW, I am now convinced the subject passes WP:GNG. Sal2100 (talk) 15:44, 7 October 2023 (UTC)


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