Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Study abroad


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to International student. ansh 666 06:08, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Study abroad

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Translated from a Japanese article, this appears to be, essentially, an essay about "what a Japanese student should keep in mind when going off to study abroad". A rare example of non-USA parochiality on enWP and thus somewhat refreshing, but still completely unsuitable as an article. Previous attempts to redirect to Student exchange program have resulted in extensive edit warring, so some clear decision seems desirable. -- Elmidae (talk · contribs) 17:02, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Education-related deletion discussions. Baby miss  fortune 17:13, 28 January 2018 (UTC)


 * This article has the characteristics of a standalone one where the idea of studying abroad in general is explained. However, this is not a developed article with newer research, explaining the dimensions, or with extensive international perspective and these make the article weak. The current state of the article is fine per WP policies. I like it because it provides insights into the educational culture and culture is not trivial. Student exchange program (SEP) and Study abroad are entirely two different animals, it could be said that articles like SEP or Study abroad in the United States has the study abroad element but they don't mean that they are the same. I vote for keeping the article and adding refreshing content with the help of WP starred editors. If there is a nominating page for content development kindly link the same here for voting/ expressing support.45.249.236.226 (talk) 06:35, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment to closing admin, this ip and the one below are within 40 minutes of each other. Artix Kreiger (talk) 22:50, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Draftify Since this does seem to be focused on one particular situation, it either needs to be generalized, or the specific scope explained. There are additional various inaccuracies.  DGG ( talk ) 04:27, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ad Orientem (talk) 01:09, 5 February 2018 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Draft or Delete or Merge take your pick. This type of information is totally unready. This could be improved greatly. There is enough room for addition of information to generalize it and make it cover more bases. However, it would involve significant overlap with student exchange program. Artix Kreiger (talk) 05:17, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   07:42, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Merge into international student. Draftification would be especially inappropriate because the article is covering similar ground to other such articles but doesn't have a correctly formed title yet (It should be studying abroad, not study abroad).  In any case, deletion is not a sensible option because this is still a plausible search term and the content is respectable. Andrew D. (talk) 07:55, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment the subject matter seems similar to that of Student exchange program, I'm sure that educationally useful parts could be merged. --Donald Trung (Talk) (Articles) Respect mobile users. 10:05, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Merge useful parts to international student, as Andrew Davidson suggested above. Cait.123 (talk) 10:11, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep or Draft or Merge: I do not understand why this has been relisted many times now and I hope this is the last time it will be relisted - already the opinions are forced. I feel the problem could be solved by changing the title of the article as "Studying abroad" as Andrew says. Otherwise, if a change is must, the article could be moved to a draft of regular content provider who is willing to adopt it. Wiki really needs an "adopt an article" program - I wish as many others the power brokers in Wiki will make this happen. Then again if we really need this not to be a separate article it could be merged with international students as Cait suggested than with Student exchange program - which already has a lot of problems. The routing person should arrange the international student article in a more readable manner and also route all the study abroad links to that page (If anyone knows a tool or a method in finding titles that are re-routed to an article, kindly do provide that info in my talk page - I can't find one).59.96.59.236 (talk) 20:41, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the Article Rescue Squadron's "rescue list", here. Hijiri 88 ( 聖やや ) 23:41, 12 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Merge I disagree with the OP that the article at present is a guide specifically for Japanese students studying outside Japan (reasons? which part? much of it would seem to apply also to foreign students in Japan, but...?), but there are clearly enough separate articles on essentially this same topic. Obviously, the title must be kept as at least a redirect to somewhere else. Not having thoroughly examined the other articles, I can't say where the best merge target would be, and I don't want to say for certain if anything in the current article is worth keeping, but it would be better to keep the history just in case. Translating from ja.wiki is tangential, really: ja.wiki is not like us, as they shun inline citations except in exceptional articles (they're kinda like en.wiki was for most of the 2000s); while much of their content may be verifiable, it generally isn't already verified and so I'm very reluctant to translate directly from there these days, but saying the article should be deleted because it's sourced to a wiki is kind of a non sequitur. I should also note that the page's listing at ARS was an in-joke about me, as I'm an ex-pat editor in Japan who studied abroad here back in 2009-2010 and have recently been commenting on the ARS talk page and elsewhere, but living in Japan doesn't really give me a different perspective on articles translated from ja.wiki. It doesn't really have anything to do with the AFD, except that a lot of the recent "rescue list" postings have not included content-specific rationales, but have rather just been jokes of varying levels of humour quality, meaning that the postings are essentially just telling an overwhelmingly anti-deletionist WikiProject "This article is at AFD. You know what to do..." Hijiri 88 ( 聖やや ) 23:41, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
 * FWIW, in my alma mater (Dublin City University), "international student" meant a non-Irish student (who generally had to pay fees of some kind and did not enter the university with a Leaving Certificate and College Application Order form) pursuing a full degree (undergrad or postgrad), and "student exchange programme" has a specific meaning that does not cover the majority of "study abroad" students, so I actually think this article has a better, most generic title that Student exchange programme. Hijiri 88 ( 聖やや ) 22:12, 13 February 2018 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.