Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Su Changlan


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The result was no consensus. —  The Earwig   talk 01:40, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Su Changlan

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Subject lacks independent sources. Fails in passing WP:GNG Setreis (talk) 13:20, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Setreis (talk) 13:20, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of China-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 13:27, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Engr.  Smitty   Werben 13:58, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Weak keep There is definitely significant coverage of her. I don't think the article is written that well right now, but that can be changed. LeBron4 (talk) 15:31, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep- the article requires improvement and a Google News search for her Chinese results suggest sufficient notability per WP:GNG and WP:BASIC. VocalIndia (talk) 08:52, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Barkeep49 (talk) 03:08, 12 January 2021 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete Current sources doesn't indicate WP:GNG. There are only 2-3 sources which are used repetitively, seem like an interview and self-published story. Sliekid (talk) 09:25, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Nosebagbear (talk) 14:46, 19 January 2021 (UTC) More citations needed. – Cupper 52 Discuss! 16:01, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep This article is well sourced and almost has enough to not have the template below:
 * Keep There is enough coverage from secondary sources to warrant WP:GNG LeBron4 (talk) 16:56, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * You may not vote twice on this. STSC (talk) 06:45, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Oh, my bad. I honestly forgot that I had voted on this. My brain wasn't working, I guess. LeBron4 (talk) 19:33, 20 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete - It has failed WP:GNG. Only one sentence of the content is based on a secondary source. All the other sources are from campaign sites. STSC (talk) 06:42, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete As per above current sources fails in notability. Akronowner (talk) 18:42, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * For whatever it's worth, I found another reliable source, a BBC article. I'm not sure that's enough to establish notability though. A few more sources are listed at zh:苏昌兰. —Granger (talk · contribs) 23:28, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.  The article said about Su Changlan, "Amnesty has been following the case of Su Changlan, a classic illustration of how the arbitrary power of the state is turned on an individual who dares to stand up — in this case, for women's rights. If Bao saw books as weapons, Su instinctively turned to social media." The article said that Su was 44 years old on 15 May 2016. She taught primary school in Guangdong. Around a decade ago, law enforcement officers bearing weapons and bulldozers visited the Three Mountains, a village where she lived. The aim was "to throw the farmers offthe land and turn it over to developers in collusion with local officials". Su was the driving force behind a crusade to protect the legal rights of the farmers. Although the effort was unsuccessful, it spurred Su to transform into an activist who started to concentrate on the rights of women and children. People related to her how women and children were being abused and raped in "China's bleak factory cities". The Times noted that "By 2014 Su was well known for campaigning for an end to violence against women and against the practice of early or forced marriages. She helped victims of the coercive family planning regime, a source of revenue and power for bureaucrats who subjected women to forced abortions and sterilisations. In short, she became a thorn in the flesh of local officials." The article spends several more paragraphs discussing Su Changlan.   The article provides one paragraph about the subject: "As one example, the report cited women’s rights activist Su Changlan (蘇昌蘭) who was arrested after voicing support for democracy activists in Hong Kong and jailed for “inciting subversion.” Su spent three years imprisoned in an 80m2 cell with more than 50 other inmates; by the time she was released she was suffering from severe heart, liver and gallbladder problems, largely due to inadequate care for a pre-existing condition."   The article notes that Su Changlan, who on 31 March 2017 was 45 years old, received a three-year prison sentence from the Foshan Intermediate People's Court. Sue had posted on the Internet images of "the territory-wide road-blocking protest in Hong Kong in 2014". After the ruling, 20 people in Hong Kong protested at the Central Government Liaison Office, urging the government to release Su.   The article notes about Su Changlan, "Her case drew international attention at a time when Beijing was ramping up its crackdown on civil society, targeting everyone from human rights lawyers to celebrity gossip bloggers." The article notes for stating on social media that she backed the 2014 Hong Kong protests for democracy, she was taken into Chinese authorities' custody in Guangdong on October 26, 2014 received a prison sentence in March 2017 for "inciting subversion of state power". She was released by October 26, 2017, following her completion of her three-year prison sentence. According to Amnesty International, Su experienced a worsening of her health after being in "cramped" and "unhygienic" confinement. </li> <li> The article said she was convicted because of "articles she submitted to overseas websites such as Canyu.org, and the Women’s Rights in China website". </li> <li> The article called Su "a prominent women's rights advocate in Southern China". </li> <li> The article noted that her husband is Chen Dequan and her brother is Su Shangwei. The article noted that after her husband visited her in jail for the first time on June 22, 2017, he discovered that "Her health is much, much worse than it was before". </li> <li> The BBC called Su "a well-known Chinese women's rights advocate". </li> <li> The article noted that Su was represented by the appointed lawyer Liu Xiaoyuan who said she was convicted in fewer than three minutes. </li> <li> Liberty Times called Su "a pioneer of the feminist movement in Guangdong, China" and said, "In 1999, she became the representative of the rights protection of landless farmers in Foshan, Guangdong." </li> <li> The article notes: "Former elementary school teacher Su Changlan has been concerned about rights protection and civic movements in the mainland for many years. During the Occupy Central in 2014, she used WeChat Moments to support Occupy Central and forwarded Occupy Central’s pictures many times. In October of the same year, the CCP police summoned Su Changlan for “picking quarrels and provoking trouble”. He was later arrested for "inciting subversion of state power."" </li> <li></li> <li></li> </ol>There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Su Changlan to pass Notability, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Cunard (talk) 06:48, 25 January 2021 (UTC) </li></ul>
 * Keep - Plenty of significant coverage per search by Cunard. WP:GNG is met.VocalIndia (talk) 15:35, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep - Per the impressive research by User:Cunard --GRuban (talk) 21:24, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment - The article is supposed to be a biography but those sources above are mainly about her imprisonment and some of them are biased unreliable sources, e.g., Radio Free Asia, Sound of Hope. STSC (talk) 12:44, 26 January 2021 (UTC)


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