Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Suai Kee


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Stifle (talk) 08:12, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Suai Kee

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With the release of one single that received only regional attention plus another available only on iTunes, subject fails to meet the criteria for notability set forth at Notability_(music). Subject thus far has achieved regional, not national, recognition. Inclusion on the Obama compilation fundraising CD is a plus, but is not sufficient to warrant a standalone article. As the article edit history shows, a Motown CD album has been forthcoming "soon" for several years; if and when it is released then an article might be appropriate. JohnInDC (talk) 22:41, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment - An editor with an apparent interest in Keeping the article has been adding keep-type facts and arguments to the article's talk page here. S/he hasn't responded to a couple of suggestions to repost the material here and I feel a bit skittish (probably foolishly) in doing it myself without permission.  Hence the link, to be sure that the issues get a proper airing.  (For what it is worth I don't think any of the additional facts matter.)  JohnInDC (talk) 20:06, 26 May 2009 (UTC) (Editor found the right place.)  JohnInDC (talk) 14:05, 28 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 00:00, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete as admittedly having released not one album on a major label. If there's specific RS coverage or charting for her one single, I'll reconsider. Jclemens (talk) 00:32, 25 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Kiwikibble (talk) 14:59, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 20:10, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  — Paul Erik  (talk) (contribs) 03:45, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep I think the subject has achieved fair amount of national recognition having done several tours including a recent national tour with Solange and Estelle. She has also done several co-productions with Akon. AmLucki (talk) 06:00, 25 May 2009 (UTC) The Allmusic database lists her Come Out Come Out Single/EP released in 2008 under the Universal label. She is the singer as well as the composer of the song. The database also lists Am I All Alone sung by her for the Obama CD. I believe she qualifies on the basis of clause 4 of the Criteria for Musicians and Ensembles which states Has received non-trivial coverage in a reliable source of an international concert tour, or a national concert tour in at least one sovereign country. AmLucki (talk) 19:02, 26 May 2009 (UTC)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by AmLucki (talk • contribs)
 * My apologies for having added my comments in the wrong place - a newbie's privilige :) I hope I am doing the right thing now by putting the comments here
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Comment on the foregoing rationale for "Keep": I doubt that inclusion in the essentially static Allmusic.com database would qualify as "coverage" in a reliable source of a national tour, but even if it did, the actual entry is about as sketchy an entry as possible. The "overview", here, is blank but for her name and the genre "R&B", and the tab labelled "Biography" is grayed out, indicating that none exists.  In short, the only information entered on this artist consists of her name, her genre, and the name of two songs she has recorded.  If this is coverage, it is trivial, and does not establish notability.  JohnInDC (talk) 15:03, 2 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment on the relisting: are we going by the stated rules or is it something personal? Please read my comments carefully and do not confuse facts. My mention of the national tour had no link with the AllMusic database. Those are two independent notings. To restate my arugument in favour of the artist : she qualifies on the basis of clause 4 of the Criteria for Musicians and Ensembles which states "Has received non-trivial coverage in a reliable source of an international concert tour, or a national concert tour in at least one sovereign country". The national tour which I mentioned has been widely covered by various magazines, radio stations, online music sites, etc. AmLucki (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 10:51, 5 June 2009 (UTC).


 * Comment. I'm sorry for the misunderstanding.  When you said she qualified on the basis of #4 (non-trivial coverage of her tour) while citing only to Allmusic.com, I assumed that that was the coverage you meant.  If there was significant coverage of Suai on this tour (not just "the" tour) - interviews of her, human interest articles about her growing up & discovering music, that kind of thing - then by all means, link to it.  Indeed you *need* to link to it.  (I briefly searched for articles about that tour and found mostly local newspaper and periodical blurbs announcing or briefly describing it (i.e. "trivial" coverage); and those that said anything further focused on Suai's touring partners rather than on her.)  JohnInDC (talk) 11:52, 5 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete as subject fails WP:MUSICBIO. لenna  vecia  16:47, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.